• auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    We know they’re war-criminals. There’s still a difference between that and leveling the place for a hotel. Trump gleefully accepted $100m from Adelson for the west bank.

    Stop assuming we’re pro-dems and not just anti-trump.

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        5 days ago

        Not yet it isn’t and yes, he did. He announced it the other day. The ethnic clensing of 2M people

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      I’m not assuming you’re pro-dems, I’m pointing out that their loss is entirely attributable to their own political mis-calculation on top of their efforts to gaslight Americans about their roll and knowledge of the crimes being committed on their behalf.

      Blaming voters for reacting to the Democrats’ policy decisions - including the moderates they alienated - is simply yet another attempt to obscure the facts that lead us to this moment.

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        Probably more to do with the mass delusion and post truth world we live in.

        And yes, enabling the greater evil is a failing of the people who voted against their interests because less evil wasn’t good enough.

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          enabling the greater evil is a failing of the people who voted against their interests

          Democrats enabled the greater evil by ignoring the interests of the constituencies they needed to win. It doesn’t matter if the lesser evil is objectively the right choice - they still need millions of people to go to the booth and make that choice, and nobody has more control over voter enthusiasm than the democrats themselves.

          This is nobody’s fault but the democrats.

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            Individuals are reponsible for their actions. They didn’t need to support the dems just have a spine and vote against Trump.

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            Democrats enabled the greater evil by ignoring the interests of the constituencies they needed to win.

            Because they didn’t cut ties with Israel? There’s no reality in which America is going to break up with their most important ally in the Middle East. Did you want Democrats to lie that they’d break ties so they could win and then go back on that promise? Flip flopping like that is what leads a country to having exactly zero allies.

            I guess they had faith in Americans to be informed enough to know that despite not being perfect, they’re INFINITELY better than Republicans. But that faith was 100% misplaced because Americans, my friend, are DUMB.

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              Because they didn’t cut ties with Israel?

              Because - far from ‘cutting ties’ with Israel - they actively shielded them from international accountability and continued supplying them with the bombs they were (and are still) dropping on Palestinian children

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            That is literally the fucking opposite of how voting works. You only got two choices for a winner here Biden or trump and not voting Biden = trump.

            You guys seem to think there’s a 3rd option here.

            First past the post voting literally shows otherwise. You are a fool.

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            6 days ago

            They did enable the greater evil, but it was voters who ultimately put them in office, not Democrats. The buck stops with the voters. Or it did - they made sure it won’t any more.

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      Stop assuming we’re pro-dems and not just anti-trump.

      This is the shit that drives me nuts. No matter how many fucking times you explain it, they just cannot wrap their heads around this for some reason. Or they refuse to.

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        Votes for Dems completely unconditionally and demands others do the same "Why does everyone keep assuming we’re pro-Dem? Don’t they know that we send negative energy waves through our mind palaces towards zionist Dems all the time?"

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          Boy, I really love when people on the internet think they know a single fucking thing about me. Every conversation I have on here about this topic always ends up with the person making some ridiculous straw man. You have no real response, so you instead just create a shitty argument that nobody here made and then act all smug when you “shut it down.” It’s so predictable.

          I have been on Lemmy for the grand total of one election, guy, how the fuck do you come to the conclusion that I, “vote for Dems completely unconditionally”? You fuckers are allergic to good faith discussion.

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            Oh, my mistake. So if you don’t vote for them unconditionally then you think it’s acceptable to place conditions on voting for them. Would you say that “not supporting genocide” is a reasonable condition, or do you draw the line at something worse than genocide?

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              Oh my God. You did it. You were right to keep trying because it worked, you’re 100% correct. Your incredibly deep and insightful analysis was extremely valuable. Good job.

              It’s like you know me better than anyone else I’ve ever met. Would you like to exchange information? I have been in need of a new lover.

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                Nothing I’ve said has made any assumptions about you at all. I’m merely describing your express position. You’re using sarcasm as a cheap trick to mask your inability to defend it, but I’m not sure who you’re supposed to be fooling.