Sure. Like anyone at all believes AOC or Bernie is going to flip to R.
After I replied to you I read the rest of the discussion and saw how absolutely willing you are to be a jerk about it, and how absolutely unwilling you were to consider any other point of view, so you actually needn’t have replied, and had I seen that first I would not have commented.
After I replied to you I read the rest of the discussion and saw how absolutely willing you are to be a jerk about it, and how absolutely unwilling you were to consider any other point of view
How was I being a jerk? By not repeating the echos in this echo chamber?
What point was I not willing to consider and how did you prove I didn’t consider it? Or did you not prove what I considered, and made up that lie because I’m not repeating echos in an echo chamber?
If you’re only willing to comment to people that will circle jerk with you then you should assess your bias.
Multiple progressives lost their primaries recently and blame AIPAC funding. Criticizing democrats for catering to donors. While losing to democrats because they catered to donors.
All while claiming they can win elections better than democrats.
Progressives will continue to lose until they give up their morals and descend into the muck of incompetence and greed like us fine fellows, and take the big money dick that is being offered. You’d be stupid to try any other way of winning.
Progressives will continue to lose because they think they don’t need to work with ideologies other than their own in a country where progressives are a small fraction of the population.
‘Don’t try to appeal to moderate voters! Why can’t we win elections?!’
‘Don’t compromise with republicans to get the votes needed to pass legislation! Why can’t we get legislation passed?!’
‘Is is us progressives that are to blame for our lack of progress? No it is the voters that are wrong!’
I’m not saying what is good/bad. I’m saying what wins/loses. You can be good and lose in the case of progressives. But then you can’t claim you know how to win better than the DNC.
You’re putting words in my mouth in order to change the subject to one you’re more comfortable with. In this case, the subject you’re more comfortable with is gloating that AIPAC bought you some pro-genocide primary challengers.
If progressives know how to win elections better than the DNC then why don’t they just win enough elections to control the DNC?
Partly because of constant sabotage from within their own party.
https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/
https://newrepublic.com/article/189500/pelosi-aoc-oversight-committee-democrats
Fetterman ran as progressive and ended up being republican after getting elected.
Sinema ran as progressive and ended up being republican after getting elected.
What you’re referring to isn’t sabotage, it’s democrats trying to vet candidates because progressives don’t.
Sure. Like anyone at all believes AOC or Bernie is going to flip to R.
After I replied to you I read the rest of the discussion and saw how absolutely willing you are to be a jerk about it, and how absolutely unwilling you were to consider any other point of view, so you actually needn’t have replied, and had I seen that first I would not have commented.
How was I being a jerk? By not repeating the echos in this echo chamber?
What point was I not willing to consider and how did you prove I didn’t consider it? Or did you not prove what I considered, and made up that lie because I’m not repeating echos in an echo chamber?
If you’re only willing to comment to people that will circle jerk with you then you should assess your bias.
What makes you think that I’d be interested in defending a claim I didn’t make?
What makes you think I wanted to know if you’re interested in defending a claim?
This implies a fair primary process.
How did any progressives get elected if our primaries are unfair?
How do progressives win against the GOP when they don’t play fair?
They got elected despite the party’s interference.
The GOP doesn’t control national elections like the DNC/DCCC/DSCC controls primaries.
Multiple progressives lost their primaries recently and blame AIPAC funding. Criticizing democrats for catering to donors. While losing to democrats because they catered to donors.
All while claiming they can win elections better than democrats.
The GOP will also be catering to donors.
Yes, money is power and power is politics. What is your point exactly?
Progressives will continue to lose for this reason.
Progressives will continue to lose until they give up their morals and descend into the muck of incompetence and greed like us fine fellows, and take the big money dick that is being offered. You’d be stupid to try any other way of winning.
I am very smart.
Progressives will continue to lose because they think they don’t need to work with ideologies other than their own in a country where progressives are a small fraction of the population.
‘Don’t try to appeal to moderate voters! Why can’t we win elections?!’
‘Don’t compromise with republicans to get the votes needed to pass legislation! Why can’t we get legislation passed?!’
‘Is is us progressives that are to blame for our lack of progress? No it is the voters that are wrong!’
‘We are very smart’
Clearly the solution is just to sell out as hard as possible since there’s no other way to win.
I’m not saying what is good/bad. I’m saying what wins/loses. You can be good and lose in the case of progressives. But then you can’t claim you know how to win better than the DNC.
I was talking about the way the party runs (or eschews) its primaries. You pivoted to international donors.
I’m talking about winning and losing primaries. You’re cherry picking examples.
This is what you initially responded to:
You’re putting words in my mouth in order to change the subject to one you’re more comfortable with. In this case, the subject you’re more comfortable with is gloating that AIPAC bought you some pro-genocide primary challengers.
This is my comment that preceded your quote.
The subject is: “why do progressives think they know how to win elections better than the DNC if they have never done so?”