If there ever was a time to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months AFTER an election.
If there ever was a time to not to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months BEFORE an election.
You think if we criticize democrats for 3.5 years straight it wont affect the outcome of an election as long as we stop for a few months?
Acknowledge mistakes and learning from them is the biggest advantage when running against the Republicans who think Trump can never make mistakes
No it just sows apathy and reduces voter turnout. But that seems to be the goal.
It only sows apathy because they keep shutting down progressive voices for… *checks notes… a 74 year old with cancer.
Maybe just maybe if AOC had been given a committee seat instead of being muscled out by Pelosi such criticisms wouldn’t “sow apathy.”
That’s just one of many examples. What you’re saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don’t change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
We’re literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like “critiquing them only makes it worse!” Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it’s hard for that not to create apathy.
Like I said, if they actually learned something and centered progressive voices, maybe critiquing them wouldn’t create apathy but would create excitement?
But noooooo, we just need to shut up about it I guess.
What you’re saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don’t change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
Nope, I’m saying Trump won this election because enough voters were apathetic and stayed home and the constant criticism from the left contributed to that.
The constant ‘not good enough’ criticisms are the reason we are worse off now with Trump.
We’re literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like “critiquing them only makes it worse!” Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it’s hard for that not to create apathy.
We are in a thread about an opinion piece. Sorry to interrupt your echo chamber but I need to remind you that the critiquing is coming from progressives: a group that consistently loses elections even after winning primaries.
If progressives would actually learn something they would show up to vote in their own best interests instead of falling for the “Genocide Joe”, “DNC isn’t good enough so we get Trump”.
The fact of the matter is not enough voters are progressive and progressives aren’t willing to work with any other ideologies so they consistently lose elections.
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don’t? So it’s quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
But sure, it’s not that the corporate wing of the party are in positions to be able to take off work and progressives are workaday laborers who literally struggle to get involved because of the roadblocks of American life.
When many US citizens can’t take a day off work without worrying about not being able to make rent, it’s kind of buffoonish to be like “They just need to try harder.” Maybe the party needs to make it way way fuckin easier to be involved and join the 21st fucking century instead of being like “these rules we’ve been using for 100 years are rock solid, no changes needed, fuck change.” The only people saying that are the corporate wing of the party because that benefits them to have progressives stuck on the hamster wheel.
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don’t? So it’s quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
You think democrats have enough seats to make a national holiday for the primaries?
My original comment said 3 months before an election is not the time to criticize - so I agree with you on that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
I agree with you there. The mistake we made was being critical to a point that got Trump elected.
The Democrats are over. If we ever even get the chance to vote again, a new progressive, actually left party must rise in its place
Interesting you think they need to be more left?
Democrats aren’t left at all, they are effectively center-right.
look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.
Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Hey, if you want I can let you borrow my goalpost mover. It’s handy for whipping up those No True Scotsmans in a jiffy.
No goalpost was moved. You should learn the meaning of terms before you try to use them.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary’s superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.
This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.
Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).
Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.
The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.
Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.
Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters
Appealed to more voters than leftist are able muster.
Damn you’re right that’s must be why Harris won so hard by campaigning with liz cheney 🤮.
Keep losing, nobody wants what you’re selling.
Move left or be left behind.
Trump lost by more than Harris in 2020 then came back and won. If he followed your advice he wouldn’t have won in 2024.
Leave it to leftists (a group that never wins elections) to quit too soon.
Yes, they’ve been moving right and trying to stay in the center for 30 years.
They’ve won the majority of the elections in the last 30 years. So must be a winning strategy.
The game has changed. The world has changed. Their strategy hasn’t…
The Democrats’ strategy is to appeal to as many voters as possible and work with people you might not agree with. They have won the majority of elections since the 90s with this strategy and gotten some legislation passed.
Progressives’ strategy is to refuse to work with any other ideologies, criticize to an extent that spreads apathy and demand all or nothing. They have consistently lost because of this and gotten no legislation passed. But their strategy hasn’t changed…
Right, well that “winning strategy” of the democrats has lost more than half the time against Trump, so clearly it’s not fucking working anymore.
Yeah because leftist criticized Biden more than Trump. With leftists as your allies you don’t need enemies. Makes sense why leftists aren’t winning any elections.
