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      Democrats aren’t left at all, they are effectively center-right.

      look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.

      Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.

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        Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.

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          Hey, if you want I can let you borrow my goalpost mover. It’s handy for whipping up those No True Scotsmans in a jiffy.

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          Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.

          The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary’s superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.

          The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.

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            Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.

            Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.

            This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.

            Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).

            Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.

            The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.

            Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.

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              Damn you’re right that’s must be why Harris won so hard by campaigning with liz cheney 🤮.

              Keep losing, nobody wants what you’re selling.

              Move left or be left behind.

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                Trump lost by more than Harris in 2020 then came back and won. If he followed your advice he wouldn’t have won in 2024.

                Leave it to leftists (a group that never wins elections) to quit too soon.

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                  I voted Democrat in every single election since I turned 18, im 34 now, the democrats are not going to get us where we need to go.

                  Democrats don’t fight hard enough, and they reach across the aisle to pivot right at every opportunity.

                  They would rather court never trumpers like liz cheney 🤮 than make concessions to their own base

                  Democrats don’t want to win, they want to capture progressive momentum and suffocate it.

                  Your party is not entitled to our votes when you fail to deliver.

                  Merrick Garland ass motherfuckers telling me the left cant win.

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                    Leftists consistently lose elections and have never gotten a single piece of legislation passed. They are a very small fraction of all voters and they refuse to work with other ideologies. This guarantees they will continue to lose and never get any legislation passed.

                    Democrats are better off working with centrists because they actually show up to vote. Unlike leftists who can easily be tricked into not voting in their own best interest by using hot topics like Gaza or whatever the current event is.

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              Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters

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                  If there is any truth to that statement it is solely because of voter disenfranchisement through antivoter gerry-mandering, electoral college bullshit.

                  So if your saying you have to vote for us its rigged in our favor then you are correct.

                  But heres the thing, we can just take our ball and fuck all of yall over too, as much as you hate it you can’t win without us.

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                    Democrats have been winning without leftists since the 90s. After leftists tanked the 2024 election by not showing up to vote, democrats are better off appealing to centrists like they have every election win since the 90s.

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            The Democrats’ strategy is to appeal to as many voters as possible and work with people you might not agree with. They have won the majority of elections since the 90s with this strategy and gotten some legislation passed.

            Progressives’ strategy is to refuse to work with any other ideologies, criticize to an extent that spreads apathy and demand all or nothing. They have consistently lost because of this and gotten no legislation passed. But their strategy hasn’t changed…

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              Right, well that “winning strategy” of the democrats has lost more than half the time against Trump, so clearly it’s not fucking working anymore.

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                Yeah because leftist criticized Biden more than Trump. With leftists as your allies you don’t need enemies. Makes sense why leftists aren’t winning any elections.