God damn, you’re hyperfixating on one part of my initial comment because you don’t like people remembering how awful your wing of the party constantly is to anyone but netanyahu and two cheneys.

To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment.

To be clear, that’s the only thing you have ever been or ever will be.

Giving the false impression that their vote won’t count is counterproductive.

Pointing out that the party does everything it can to ratfuck progressives means that they might respond to pressure to stop, and you don’t want that.

Conservative and centrist are functionally synonyms at this point.

Guess lemmy isn’t a dog-slow pain in the ass for you. How nice.

I was not advocating against voting

Neither was I during 2024. That never stopped centrists from making that assumption about me no matter how many times I corrected them. Now centrists want better treatment from the left than they were ever willing to show the left.

No, you are advocating against voting because you want sliwa to win. Mods, this sort of thing never got removed when centrists were calling everyone to the left of netanyahu a trumper, and I’m probably foolish to expect consistency.

They have not.

If that’s what you think Biden’s or Kamala’s position was

They placed no conditions on arms sales for netanayhu’s genocide. That’s called unconditional support.

You’re not going to convince me of anything when you’ve demonstrated you have no perspective.

there’s no convincing you of anything that runs contrary to the netanyahu wing of the party.

Well, that was the assumption every time progressives warned centrists that people would stay home if the administration didn’t abandon their unconditional arms sales that everyone knew were being used for genocide.

You’re expecting greater benefit of the doubt than the anti-genocide left got from centrists. None is forthcoming. You were advocating against voting because you want sliwa to win.

And anyone with the slightest support of them here is called a genocide supporter.

Unconditional genocide support certainly wasn’t a dealbreaker for them, was it?

Your point?

The point that you’re deliberately pretending to miss in typical centrist bad faith is this: During the 2024 election, anyone who didn’t like the genocide and suggested that democrats didn’t represent them was immediately called a trump supporter. Certainly anyone who suggested voting third party was, on the grounds that any vote not cast for harris was somehow a vote for trump.

But now that the candidate is a progressive, voting third party is perfectly fine by the same people. If I were to apply centrists’ spurious logic to this situation, you want sliwa to win.

Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context.

A completely accurate representation, made by a lawyer representing the party and setting precedent they have taken advantage of ever since.

Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.

I’m not sorry that the party’s machinations against the left fail sometimes.

Because if they are willing to compromise on genocide and ethnic cleansing

Oh they’re not. They remain steadfast in their support for both.

They learned nothing from what the party did to Bernie Sanders.

They learned that they’re ok with losing to republicans as long as progressives are shut out.

And you’re advocating for not voting because a progressive won the nomination.

Anyone with the slightest criticism of biden or harris last year was called a trump supporter.

You think the DNC is pushing this?

I think they’re going to be more open about doing so as the election approaches.

Vote blue still applies here.

Progressives step aside when centrists win the primaries that the party went to court for the right to rig.

It’s suddenly a stupid idea because a progressive won the primary. How convenient.

It isn’t, but since centrists didn’t get their very first choice, they’re fine with it now.

Find a particular modlog entry from last year. See how long it takes.

Clearly the sort of people who voted in the primary prefer Mamdani by a wide margin.

Yes, but party leadership prefers the sex pest cuomo or the corrupt adams or even the dipshit fascist sliwa to any progressive.

And just like that, not voting became acceptable. Sure is neat what having a progressive nominee will do.