• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    If the Dems only standard is:

    Not trump

    While I agree it’s good to at least maintain that, it’s not enough to get the votes need to beat Trump.

    It barely worked when he was in office, why wouldn’t 24 be more like 16 than 20?

    I don’t think people understand that when the candidates are as bad as Biden and trump, that being an incumbent is a disadvantage.

    If you think people want Biden as president, you’re not paying attention

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      11 months ago

      This isn’t about Biden or Trump, at least not directly. This is about trying to save as many Palestinian lives as possible, assuming you actually care about them and aren’t just using them for political points.

      The ideal situation is that the war ends and Israel completely fucks off. But the ideal solution is not a viable option currently. One candidate is keeping the status quo while criticizing Israel, or and the other candidate wants to intensifying the bombings and attacks on civilians and praises Israel.

      Forget the names behind the candidates. Are you truly telling me that there’s no difference between these two candidates, and that one option does not kill countless more Palestinians than the other option?

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        11 months ago

        The ideal situation is that the war ends and Israel completely fucks off.

        That will never happen with Biden.

        I don’t know why you don’t understand it, maybe you’re just too used to his actions never following his words?

        But he’s been saying nothing will ever lessen his support for Israel for about 50 years now…

        This is one of his few promises he’s definitely keeping.

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          11 months ago

          I know that’ll never happen. That’s why I said it’s an ideal that won’t happen. What I’m talking about is picking the candidate who’ll kill fewer Palestinians and may listen to reason, over the one who’ll crush any dissent over the war and urge Netanyahu to continue.

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            11 months ago

            and may listen to reason

            Biden has spent literally 50 years in office and has been saying nonstop nothing would ever erode his support of Israel…

            Nothing

            And his actions back up his words here.

            You think it’s a coincidence this is happening while he’s US president and Netanyhu was about to be ousted from power?

            You know the bulk of the killing in concentration camps was when the nazis knew they were going to lose?

            Bibi and his extremists were going to lose power, somehow one the planets biggest intelligence agencies let an attack thru on the anniversary of an attack during a music festival blocks away from the border?

            I’m not saying Israel orchestrated it, but they definitely turned a blind eye to a perfect recipe for an attack and used it as an excuse to commit a genocide while they still had the power to do so.

            And Biden spending 50 years saying he will unilaterally support Israel over everything certaintly played into any discussions about how this would go. Along with trump being the opponent being pretty much the only way Dem voters would vote for a Dem who wants to fund a genocide and crack down on his own voters for protesting.

            This shit isn’t ok.

            How do you propose we communicate that to DNC and Biden while shutting up and voting for Biden?