Summary

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, in a private meeting inadvertently broadcast via a hot mic, warned that Donald Trump is seriously considering annexing Canada to secure its critical mineral resources.

Speaking to business and labor leaders, Trudeau claimed Trump’s administration is keenly aware of Canada’s resource wealth and sees annexation as a means to control it.

The comments, cut off after staff realized they were audible, underscore growing economic and political tensions.

He also stressed the need to diversify trade, noting, “Geography means we’re always going to both benefit and be challenged by trade with the United States.”

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    I wish Canada would start an immigration program for Americans who don’t want to be a part of this shit.

    I voted, I’m politically active, and I don’t want to be on this ride. While I don’t have a sought-after degree, I want to work for and contribute to my community. I have skills that I would be glad to contribute. I would pounce on the chance to get out of this shit hole.

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    We’re entering late stage Nazi when they start trying to forcibly infect other countries. The timeline is accelerating. America desperately wants to become a viral disease bringing their fucked up way of life to everyone whether they like it or not.

  • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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    I would kill and die in a war with Americans if they tried to force us into becoming Americans. I would rather die and take as many of you with me as possible than become an american

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      Guarantee I’d be sabotaging shit on this side to help you guys win. Every sensible American loves our Canadian neighbors and respects their sovereignty.

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        make no mistake, that line gets crossed. its over for everyone.

        The US will enter a civil war. And it probably wont end for decades Canada will be destroyed. Gobbled up in the same civil war south. NATO will cease to exist. Europe will be in peices. The war with Russia will expand, many of europes countries will refuse to honor treaties and end up fighting each other until some vague lines are drawn between Russia and the resistance.

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      How would that even work. It’s an an entire country made up of provinces. We have our own provincial governments. Canada is fucking huge. How would they enter? The border spans the whole width of the continent. Do they even have a big enough military to even do that?

      None of this even makes sense, it sounds like the biggest dumbest joke any president has ever came up with, besides building a wall along the opposite border, which may have started but never even finished, or turned out way too expensice to be realistic or something like that, what ever the fuck happened.

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        For Canada’s population they are a remarkable country, but even so, for Canada to win a war they don’t need to fight, they only need to walk backwards and wait for winter.

        • DicJacobus@lemmy.world
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          and go where? tens of millions of people running into the woods. means tens of millions of dead people.

          Northern people Live in cold climates, but you know where we sleep at night? in bed under blankets in insulated buildings

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    Nothing Trump says is a joke, unless he realizes he’s getting too much pushback on it for going too far. Then it’s a joke.

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      Trump has zero sense of humour. He never jokes. Every comment he makes is a serious possibility in his mind.

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        His best trait is his comedy skills in my honest opinion. He absolutely has a sense of humour. And I’m an angry Canadian who would put a bullet in the guy’s head if I could.

        Dude is funny. That’s why he’s in office.

        The thing is that there is a truth behind every joke.

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    Lol that would probably look like the Winter War where Finns were vastly outnumbered but still won because they know how to survive the winter. I hope the americans wear body cams when they invade. It will be very satisfying to watch the Rocky Mountains literally kill them man vs nature style.

    And Canadians are so fucking brutal historically in war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0230d9mp5WY

    Also not sure if relevant but Canadian true crime seems to be way more often gory and needlessly violent compared to your typical run of the mill murder stories.

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      Not to disrespect the amazing achievements of the Finn’s in that war, but they lost, and lost half their country. (Edit: 10%, not half. Sorry Finland.)

      Incredible job not to lose the whole thing ofc.

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        Not to disrespect the amazing achievements of the Finn’s in that war, but they lost, and lost half their country.

        In actual reality, we lost 9% of our territory to USSR due to WW2. One city, two towns. By official sources, about 400 000 Finns evacuated the conquered territory, and about 20 people remained and became Soviet citizens.

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    Okay not to downplay the fucked up reality of this situation, but does it bother anyone else that the Orange Idiot thinks Canada should be just one State? And one hostile to him and his party at that, out of spite if nothing else.

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      i knoe Alberta is probably red, what about the other providences? Any Canadians want to chime in? What would the hypothetical blue/red breakdown be?

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        AB would join before ANSCHLUSS.

        SK red.

        ON swing state, it’s rust belt all over again.

        Maritimes votes along with New England.

        MB is dealing with mosquitoes.

        BC blue.

        NL swing but mostly blue.

        PQ 3rd party, but generally very strong blue. I don’t see PQ annexation happening though. It’d sooner fight for independence from either.

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    Yo, this won’t be an annex. It will be an invasion if he really wants it, same with Greenland. You think Canada will just roll over? Imagine if fucking Mexico decided to take back Texas. (At this point, please do, I could use some new leadership here)

    I’m so sorry Canadians, yall just up there doing your thing and these assholes just trying to fuck your shit up.

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      No need to invade. The US can just tamper with our elections enough to get people in power that’ll just roll over and give them everything

      • gift_of_gab@lemmy.world
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        I don’t know who downvoted you, but whomever did go check out Danielle Smith in Alberta. She sure likes Trump, and Ford over in Ontario used Roger Stone as a campaign advisor.

        Trump has created a problem for the Cons, though:

        “The start of a tariff war with the United States is changing voters’ moods. It’s harder to talk about a broken Canada when there’s a growing sense of patriotism,” another Conservative source said.

        Our Cons need bogeymen to rile up our Centrist voters. They rail about borderguards or evil carbon taxes (that are given back to the vast majority of Canadians) or whatever, only now we’re getting Nationalist Cons rising up, despite their favourite leader Harper being a vanguard of International Conservatism.

        We have an absolute issue up here with our Con voters, (when Léger asked Canadians about the Biden-Trump match up in the fall of 2020, 41 per cent of Conservative voters sided with Trump.) and they are extremely susceptible to Russian propaganda:

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          Yeah, a reminder to Canadians that our blueshirts (equivalent to brownshirts etc) were rounded up and interned during WW2. They got back to work somewhat right after because the country was still freakin racist, but it took until recently for actual fascism-with-Skippy to pop up again.

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      I’m in the GTA. I’m ready to die for my country. Are Americans ready to say the same when their president gives them the order?

      Rest assured you do not want to fuck with us Canadians. We are deeply embedded in your country. You would see terrorism the likes of which you have only seen in your nightmares. 9/11 will seem like happier times.

      Seriously as a Canadian I want them to try.

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        Fun, totally unrelated to absolutely anything fact:

        Three of the top ten longest confirmed sniper kills were Canadian.

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            Everywhere snipers are a thing, the best ones are always the ones that grew up hunting. There’s a lot of really wild areas with really big game in Canada, it makes sense that some people are going to be very good with a rifle and scope.

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        No worries folks, any infiltration violence in resistance isn’t likely to be directed at random civilians.

        A lot of vandalism, though. And some judicious sniping would be likely.

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      That’s not enough. They should immediately negotiate an agreement with Britain and France to have British and French nuclear weapons stationed on Canadian soil. Have them there long enough until Canada can acquire their own domestic arsenal.

      Canada needs the bomb. It sounds insane, but I am not joking. That is the obvious lesson of the Ukraine war. Canada is already an advanced near-nuclear state. They could have a domestic arsenal within a year or two if they wanted. And borrowing a few nukes from London or Paris in the meantime would provide cover to allow that.

      And I say this as an American. I know Canadians may be loathe at the idea of a Canadian nuclear arsenal. But be realistic. It is the only way for Canada to ever be able to credibly deter a direct threat from the US. We can no longer be trusted.

      Canada needs the bomb.

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        The fact that that your comment even makes a bit of sense is so completely fucked. Of course I don’t speak for everybody but I think it’s fair to say that most Canadians do not want to be a nuclear power. We do not want to hurt or threaten anyone, particularly our American brothers? When Pearl Harbour was attacked we declared war on Japan before America did ffs… shit is fucked up down there

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          Unfortunately, this is not about what Canada wants. This is about what Canada needs. I do not want Canada to have to build a nuclear arsenal either. Realize, I am advocating for the construction of nuclear weapons that will be pointed at my own head. THAT is fucked up. I do not make this recommendation lightly.

          Reality check. 90% of the Canadian population lives within 150 miles of the US border. An M1 Abrams tank can drive that distance in an afternoon. The Canadian military is woefully unprepared to resist such an advance. The Canadian military is not designed to resist the might of the US. It’s designed to provide some valuable but niche roles as part of the NATO alliance. And this is not some failure to plan on the part of my Canadian brothers. Frankly, Canada was never going to be able to develop such a capability. Canada has approximately 12% of the population of the US, and a vast territory to defend. Even if Canada become as militaristic as North Korea, Canada simply does not have the resources to develop the capability to militarily resist the US using conventional arms.

          Do you think an alliance will save you? NATO membership means nothing in this context. When an outside country invades a NATO member, they can activate Article 5. However, nothing happens automatically. The NATO members then must convene to formulate a response, and any single member can veto the resolution. Greece and Turkey, both NATO members, have fought several armed conflicts while both being NATO members. NATO will not be coming to save you.

          The Commonwealth? Could you dust that thing off and appeal to King Charles for aid? I’m sure he’ll send his dearest sympathies, but the redcoats will not be coming to save you this time. Compare the stats of the US Navy to the Royal Navy and let me know how that would go. I’m sure the Royal Navy’s 160 aircraft will be a formidable match for the US Navy’s 2600. We could also look at other military branches. But the disparities would be similar, and the forces of King Charles would have no way to get to Canadian soil. I’m sorry to say, but 1812 was a very long time ago. The forces of King Charles would struggle to resist, with conventional arms, a US invasion of the UK mainland. Realistically, if the UK wanted to offer any meaningful assistance to Canada, it would have to come in the form of thermonuclear weaponry.

          What about the EU? Could Canada join the EU? Would that save you? First, it takes years to join the EU. But even if you could waive a magic wand and join tomorrow? The EU does have the population and economy to potentially stand up to the US. But they don’t have the defense sector necessary. There is no vast EU expeditionary army that is going to sail across the Atlantic and go to-to-toe against the US Army and Marines. There is no formidable EU Navy that’s going to serve as a credible threat to the Americans. In time, the EU could build that capability. But we’re talking, extremely optimistically, a decade to spin up that magnitude of a military industrial complex. US army soldiers will be fishing on the northern coast of Nunavut before the EU parliament even passes the budget appropriations.

          Could Canadian irregulars resist the advance? Canada is not some war-torn country in the Middle East that has had insurgent fighting going on for decades. There isn’t some vast network of Canadian insurgent groups with the skills and resources to build improvised explosives and knowledgeable of insurgent tactics. There aren’t thousands of guerilla fighters that might credibly slow down a US invasion. How many suicide bombings has Canada had in the last year? Canada is not Iraq or Syria. I have no doubt that a fierce resistance movement would eventually develop after a US invasion. But irregulars would not be able to actually prevent such an invasion.

          If Canada wants to actually deter a US invasion, they need to consider a domestic nuclear arsenal now. They should have considered it the moment Trump started talking about annexation. Canada should negotiate with Britain or France to have British or French weapons stationed on Canadian soil. And that would provide a meaningful deterrent while Canada develops their own arsenal.

          Now, the French or UK arsenals cannot come close to matching that of the US. Combined they have 500 warheads, while the US has 5,000. But nuclear weapons are the great equalizer of international politics. Even 50 nuclear warheads on Canadian soil would successfully deter any potential US invasion. It would mean that whatever the US might hope to gain from invading Canada would be dwarfed by what the US would lose in the conflict.

          Sorry for the long response. But TLDR, Canada is hopelessly outmatched against the US in conventional military forces, and there is no realistic way its allies will be able to defend it using conventional weapons. A nuclear arsenal is the only way for Canada to ensure its survival as a nation against a US gone mad. And I write this as an American.

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            An M1 Abrams tank can drive that distance in an afternoon.

            Just one thing…

            No, it can’t. Took us 16 days to drive a squadron of them from Kuwait to Baghdad. Most of the time they spent on flatbed tractor trucks, because of the a) fuel consumption per mile (Like 15 gallons per mile or so) and b) maintenance. Those things throw tracks bad on asphalt. But, they slow down a lot on dirt.

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              OK, I just looked up the top speed and divided by the distance, but there may be logistics issues that make that impossible. But really, 2 weeks or an afternoon? It makes little difference.