• Woht24@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    Why do they have to be black? America is bizarrely obsessed with race, I’ve never seen anything like it both in person and on the internet.

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      8 days ago

      I would prefer knowing my money is going to people who have been systematically disadvantaged for this nation’s entire history.

      I suppose your post could imply other minorities could be included but the way I read your comment gives off big WLM energy.

      Edit: spelling

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        7 days ago

        Dude this is discrimination also. It’s like why do I have to pay for things that my gparents have done? This brings me to other questions such as how long do you will be “systematically disadvantaged”? I have seen those cases with my eyes: Afro has their college fees paid and they got paid for studying. he/her reproved. Do state retired the help? NO. They just had a talk with he/her and keep with aid. Meanwhile my mixed friend had to put gmother home as warrant to get a loan in order to pay the stupid college. I got enough of it.

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          7 days ago

          Guy said he wanted to help people so have been and still are supposed and you took that as discrimination? I guess if we don’t help everyone all at once we shouldn’t help anyone?

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            No, my point is what criteria are using to help? I feel it should be used not because you are black. For me should be done in meritocratic order: First the extremely poor yet good students, second the poor yet good students, third excellent students ON ANY ECONOMIC SITUATION. Not because black or LGBT or because you are women…

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              7 days ago

              And this would be a great approach if systemic racism didn’t exist.

              Everyone isn’t treated the same, so helping them the same leaves people behind.

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                6 days ago

                Sistemic racism? so because some mfckers are racist we all have to pay for it? second, who is gonna help non black poor people? that can go fck themselves or what?

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                  7 hours ago

                  Pay for it? How are you paying for it?

                  Also there are programs that help non black poor people too. You seem like you’re not educated on this topic lol

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      Because they still get shut out of opportunities based solely on their skin color, names, and application photos. So they work together to create their own opportunities and are rightfully proud of that. America can stop worrying about race when we finally end racism.

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          Alright let’s break this down Barney style. You have group A and group B. Group A decides to pelt Group B with oranges every time they leave their house. So Group B moves in together and buys communal umbrellas to live as unmolested as possible. And you think that is perpetuating Group A’s conduct.

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              No I get it. Fox news screams reverse racism every time group B tries to go around the racist power structure instead of work inside it, and instead of critically examining that you’ve just accepted it as a truth.

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      Sure, it can seem on the surface like wanting to support people of a particular race is in itself a kind of racism, or at least a situation that emphasizes unfair distinctions.

      Unfortunately, race does still matter in America, even if we personally disagree with it or want to ignore it. The health and economic research data make it very clear that people of color in America, especially black people, experience harder lives in almost every category. This is due to both recurring experiences of present-day prejudice and discrimination, as well the inter-generational impacts of wealth inequality and psychological trauma.

      You might already know about this, but redlining is one example of the way that patterns of discrimination can creates a systemic effect, which, in turn, can impact the physical and financial effects on a family across time. These kinds of systemic effects can then make it harder for current generations of these families to recover and live safe lives today though, we personally might celebrate that the policy doesn’t exist anymore, and even though we personally might say that we don’t support people acting like that anymore.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

      No one really has to do anything, but some people might choose to support groups of people or organizations who they think might have experienced similar kinds of hardships in their families, and might be glad to have a way to try to do something different with their money than give it to another multinational corporation every time.

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        8 days ago

        Yeah I’ve heard these arguments. I still hold my opinion. America needs to move away from the race obsession.

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              8 days ago

              As in

              • Not talking about race will solve the lingering systemic race issues, or
              • There are no lingering systemic race issues, so we should stop talking about it?
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                Oh no the US is a shitshow of systemic racism, like super ridiculous on every level. There is such a wild undercurrent, surface levek and then an even weirder like super liminal racism where it just has to be mentioned.

                Watch like any late night and they will make a self depricating white person joke, middle aged white guy thing. Just stfu about all of it, address the systemic issues with actual actions and then just you know…live as neighbours as americans.

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                  So the US is a shitshow of systemic racism but you want everyone to stop talking about race? Sounds like a way to never fix the problem.