• Darkhoof@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Please elaborate what the party leadership could’ve done differently to not alienate the other voting blocks mentioned.

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      They could have defended the lives of Palestinians and acknowledged that the genocide was happening.

      It was Biden’s press secretary and SOS who got up on a podium everyday and assured the press and those “other voters” that Israel wasn’t doing anything wrong. They drew that line themselves, not anyone who was protesting the genocide.

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        It was Biden’s press secretary and SOS who got up on a podium everyday and assured the press and those “other voters” that Israel wasn’t doing anything wrong.

        How short is your memory?

        Biden expressed disapproval multiple times.

        https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-3591fb5f82b22cf8e5d1060fccaef115

        https://www.axios.com/2024/10/17/biden-netanyahu-sinwar-gaza-war

        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/13/biden-speaks-with-israels-netanyahu-urges-immediate-ceasefire-in-gaza

        Whether intentional or not, you are spreading misinformation. The same kind that got Trump and Musk into the Oval Office. And people are upvoting you. Congrats.

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          Biden tells Netanyahu it’s time to end Gaza war

          This one is kinda funny to me because people interpret trump saying nearly the same words is evidence of his genocidal intent.

          But none of those ‘statements of disapproval’ conveys the severity of their literal fucking war crimes and genocide, which would be a minimum (I would think) to convince a skeptical zionist voter that maybe some intervention is justified. Not to mention that Harris repeatedly refused to commit to withholding lethal aid every time she was asked during her candidacy.

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            There’s no reality in which the U.S. was going to seriously jeopardize its relationship with our closest ally in the middle east.

            Americans had two options:

            A side that expressed disapproval of Israel’s actions and floated stopping arms shipments, which Biden floated.

            Or

            A side with a guy who literally said Israel should finish the job and is now saying he wants to turn Gaza into a vacation destination.

            I’ll let you do the math.

      • Dkarma@lemmy.world
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        6 days ago

        And this is how trump got elected. Have some self awareness and knowledge of game theory.

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          6 days ago

          Why do you criticize regular people about game theory and not the actual people crafting the strategy to win an election?

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            Because regular adults should be responsible enough to see through blatant manipulation by blatantly bad actors. And if they can’t, that’s no one else’s fault but their own.

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              That’s not an answer to why you hold regular people to account for their actions but not the politicians and strategists actually running the campaign.

              Also it wasn’t “manipulation”. The genocide actually happened.

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          He’s literally spreading misinformation and I posted links to prove it.

          And he’s being upvoted and you’re being downvoted. Which makes your comment even more poignant. Fucking internet man. Humans simply weren’t ready for it.

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      I find arguments that the non-voters shouldn’t be blamed for Trump because party leadership didn’t properly encourage them to vote for Harris idiotic. Everyone has a duty to educate themselves about their vote. Shifting blame to the DNC is both patronizing and destructive. The DNC sucks… You know who else sucks? people who didn’t stand up against Trump. Those people are grown ass adults who actively helped a fascist by doing nothing but bitch.

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        I find arguments that the non-voters shouldn’t be blamed […] idiotic

        Please elaborate what the party leadership could’ve done differently to not alienate the other voting blocks

        These two sentences are in contradiction

        Here, see if you can spot the double standard:

        “The [voters] suck… You know who else sucks? [the DNC] who didn’t stand up against [Israel]. Those people are grown ass adults who actively helped a fascist by doing nothing but bitch.”