According to a new poll, 57% of male Republicans say they are likely to support Elon Musk’s “America Party”
Almost half of voters said they are likely to support a new political party proposed by Tesla CEO Elon Musk, according to fresh polling.
A Quantus Insights survey released Wednesday found that 40% of voters said they would be likely to back Musk’s “America Party,” which aims to serve voters disillusioned with both Republicans and Democrats. Musk shared the poll’s results on X, calling the results “Encouraging.”
Musk first pitched a new political party in early June after he clashed with Donald Trump over the GOP’s multi-trillion-dollar tax and spending bill.
40% of Americans would support a party founded by the world’s richest man whose very first instinct when Trump won was to triumphantly perform two Nazi salutes. WTF, USA?
I’m actually very much in favor of Musk starting a political party that effectively splits the Republican vote and makes Democrat victories that much easier. Go Musk!
It looks like it would split the Democratic vote too. Which suggests a lot of Democratic voters (like pretty much all Republican voters) don’t have the first clue what’s going on.
That could be a great thing. If Musk launched a party with large enough base support of clueless morons to destabilize both Rep and Dem parties, that would create space for the creation of a liberal/left party, and suddenly we have escaped the crushing gravity of the two-party system.
That said, I doubt Musks party would have even a fraction of the support that is suggested.
If Musk launched a party with large enough base support of clueless morons to destabilize both Rep and Dem parties, that would create space for the creation of a liberal/left party,
Actually, a new party that successfully pulls from both parties would most likely be centrist at best.
It doesn’t matter if Musk’s party is centrist or far right. The point is, if it pulled enough support to destabilize 2 party elections, that opens up space for more parties to legitimately enter the political arena. It could cause a domino effect that would open space for the rise of a true left party.
Centrist, so… left of the democrats?
Centrists as in centrists. People who are center-right aren’t going to join a party that intends to go far left.
That’s context we don’t actually have.
It’s possible that Democrats are simply clueless as you suggest, but we don’t know how many people supported this not because they intend to join Musk’s third party, but because they also know that it’ll split the GOP vote and make Democrat victories easier.
That would only hurt the Democratic Party if it split at approximately the same ratio as the Republican Party. If half of Republicans split while only a tenth of Democrats split, the results favor Democrats majorly.
That said, we don’t have anywhere near enough data.
My guess is 30 to 40 % Reps leave, 5 to 15 % Dems leave, and a whole bunch of ‘independents’ join as well, various libertarians and crypto/techbro type people.
EDIT:
Yay, I don’t have to do
anytoo much math, they actually did most of the math.Apologies for shitty cell phone image, here’s the whole poll (3rd link in the article, by the way):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R4pZVo0ZnrQyElZQzdNtt7CQ1zwTypuS/view
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So, ballparking a 50/50 male female split:
Likely to Join Elon’s Party:
Republicans
Very likely: 23 + 14 / 2 = 18.5%
Somewhat likely: 34 + 29 / 2 = 31.5%
Not likely: 31 + 30 / 2 = 30.5%
Independents
Very likely: 18 + 11 / 2 = 14.5%
Somewhat likely: 29 + 26 / 2 = 27.5%
Not likely: 35 + 36 / 2 = 15.5%
Democrats
Very likely: 7 + 5 / 2 = 6%
Somewhat likely: 15 + 16 / 2 = 15.5%
Not likely: 54 + 48 / 2 = 51%
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So, if you say half of the 'somewhat likely’s actually go for it, then you get this:
Republicans who join Elon Party: 34.25%
Independents who join Elon Party: 28.25%
Democrats who join Elon Party: 13.75%
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So yep, my ballpark guess was indeed in the correct ballpark.
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Worth mentioning:
There are more Dem voters, than Republicans.
But there are also more independents than either.
Roughly 32% Reps, 33% Dems, 35% Indp.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/the-partisanship-and-ideology-of-american-voters/
So, throw that in with those previous calcs, and you end up with:
Reps: ~21%
Dems: ~28.5%
Elons: ~25.5%
Indps: ~25%
or, normalized to remove remaining Indps:
Reps: 28%, Dems: 38%, Elons: 34%
So… theoretically, the Dems are still the largest, Elon is now second behind them, and the Reps are now a third party, less popular than having no solid political affiliation.
… if this actually happened, which it could, Elon has enough money to single handedly start a party, though he’d have to find some actually competent people to… do anything other than spend money…
I think you end up with a good number of corpo Dems leaving the Dems, so the Dems now have an easier time shifting to the left.
The Reps lose 1/3 of their voters, and basically just become a cult of idiot racist nazis, paleocons, theocrats, MAGA nutjobs.
Elon party … basically becomes the ‘centrist’/libertarian/ancap/corpo party.
… and everyone would now have to figure out how to do politics in a much more complex kind of paradigm.
I… don’t think a roughly even balanced 3 party system has ever existed in US history with any kind of stability, that endured more than one or two Presidential elections, 8 years.
Two roughly approximate examples:
The Civil War.
Teddy Roosevelt going Bull Moose Party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_eras_of_the_United_States
But uh yeah, not stable.
And these numbers are close enough that a 3 party system might not implode quickly… or it also could.
Especially if the President just gets to remain as functionally a dictator as the last months and years Supreme Court rulings have made him.
???
Yup! Let them fight.
Have you met trump voters?
They idolized trump because they believed he was wealthy
But musk is actually as wealthy as they believed Trump was.
Nothing else matters to them, wealth = power, and power is a good thing to ally with.
It’s all basic psychology, because when you spend literal generations ignoring public education, around 40% of the population never gets past base animalistic thinking.
They’re picking the aide they think is most powerful, because millions of years of instincts beat into us by evolution says the powerful will kill the weak. Learning the killing doesn’t have to happen is the entire point of socialization, and we just don’t teach that to humans anymore.
Learning the killing doesn’t have to happen is the entire point of socialization, and we just don’t teach that to humans anymore.
We don’t teach it to Americans any more. Some places still understand what society and social responsibility are. But Americans have been subjected to the propaganda of toxic individualism for too long.
toxic individualism
That’s not the root problem. It’s the lie told to defend ruthless capitalism:
If you can’t make it, you’re the problem
Well yes. I didn’t bring that in but individualism is the propaganda of capitalism, designed to set workers against each other while keeping them preoccupied with “expressing themselves” through consumption. Dress this up as rugged individualism, tell them it’s weakness to need or accept help, add a dash of the American Dream (as you mention), and you get a proudly compliant population who will aggressively resist all attempts to self-organize in their shared interests or redistribute wealth. That’s been the USA at least since Reagan, and probably for most of its history.
Yes, thats the ‘independent voter’ cohort the Dems have spent 20+ years making concessions to.
They also grew this cohort by being very largely ineffectual, and allowing education, wealth gap, general quality of life… to all get much worse, such that more people are now more stupid, angry and exhausted.
47%, according to this poll, approve of Trump’s work.
I definitely would not support any party created by that fuckhead. It will just be another douchebag conservative shitshow.
Neither would I. But! It would split the conservative vote and also force the Democrats to listen to the voters! If it ended “first past the post” voting, it would be incredibly good for this country and the world…
Or, Democrats do what they do best – not listen to their voters – and the new party comes to power by merging the Nationalists that are in Musk’s camp with the Socialists that the Democrats always ignore. Maybe they’ll even merge those two names together to describe the new party…
I’d like to remain more hopeful in that the first past the post standard collapses and that means we socialists get to do democrats 2.0 in the same way musk wants Republicans 2.0
Cynically that means that the spoiler effect might actually work in our favor if he does go through with it. I’m not gonna hold my breath for it, but it would be so funny if Musk’s ego actually leads to the Republican party splitting and losing because they can’t decide how many poor people and minorities they want to throw into a wood chipper.
Good, but you should pretend like it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread around any conservative associates.
Almost half of voters said they are likely to support a new political party proposed by Tesla CEO Elon Musk, according to fresh polling.
Horseshit. No way is Elon’s popularity that high, after he so effectively alienated himself from both US parties. I’m guessing the poll just asked about supporting A third party, not Elon’s third party.
Both parties suck and are ruining the country. Here’s an idea, let’s take the jackass that jumped around with a chainsaw and sawed away people’s benefits before giving two Seig Heils at the worse of the two horrible parties, let’s go with his new party.
What a joke.
Don’t discount the impact of reactionary anti-incumbent sentiment these days
Asking people a theoretical question about whether they would support a third party doesn’t give you any useful information. It doesn’t mean they’ll support whatever you make, nor does it mean you (in this case Musk) have what it takes to build a party from scratch. Including just basic human qualities required, ike patience and perseverance.
This whole story isn’t even worth following.
It’s not his popularity.
- Republicans dont really like Trump, they just want to “own the libs”, so a new “conservative” party appeals to them.
- Democrats won’t vote for the new party, but realize that it will destroy the Republican party.
Ok, call me crazy, but hear me out: this is good and we should encourage it.
One fascist party gets all the fascists aligned. Multiple fascist parties split them up. Suddenly their 51% majority is 25% and 26%. We should be fostering the infighting and splitting of the party. We should welcome its own destruction from within.
I’ll only believe it when I see it, but this could theoretically be the beginning of the end for a two party system. If done right we could end up with 4 or 5 legitimate parties (including splitting Democrats up and getting a true labor party)
Never gonna have more than two parties as long as we still use “first past the post” voting.
A new “Republican” party would necessarily have to argue for vote reform in order to make gains. We might be able to spin this into a bipartisan issue. We make it their own self interest to introduce ranked choice voting.
Even though two parties is the equilibrium state that’s always reached, a new party can replace one of the two if it has massive enough support (the other method is for a contingent faction to take over one of the existing two as we saw with maga). In our system, having it funded by the richest person in the world who also has a large following already is one of the few ways a new party could feasibly get to that level.
I agree. But we need more than just Musk. Like 4 or 5. Break the system.
I’m hoping the Dems split into a proper labor party as well
One of the biggest hurdles would be, since we still have a FPTP system, mutually agreeing when to withdraw and support the other party’s candidate in races where the fascist candidate(s) seem poised to win. Especially since the nature of politics means that both sides would be looking to screw each other over… and the Dems have a lot of experience in screwing over political rivals.
I think for a third party to even exist viably, we need ranked choice voting. If Elon wants this party to actually exist, he needs RCV himself. Unless he’s just planning to try and consume all of the moderate voters, which is a good bet too based on his ego, unfortunately.
There’s 0 way a labor party would take root here with how much of our population falls for moneyed propaganda. Still, more choices is always better when it comes to these political parties.
I am not so sure - i think that many many young folk are both more open to it and are disenchanted with the democrat party - and this will continue to grow with the old guard insisting on shooting themselves in the foot by stubbornly resisting Mamdani in new york immediatelt after 3 “Vote Blue No Matter Who” campaigns for the in the last few presidential elections.
You act as if unions are non-existent and Bernie Sanders has no following… Unlikely? Sure. But impossible? Nope. Literally half the Dem talk since the election has been about how much Dems feel disenfranchised by their own party. Have you been paying any attention?
Over half of the population took a voting action not in their best interest. I know everywhere should be unionized and politicians like Bernie should be the norm, not the “fringe”.
But to act like the average voter is rational after this election? Have YOU been paying attention? FFS a quarter of Americans actually think this admin is a good job. A rather sad portion of our population is easily swayed by propaganda and the moment a real workers party comes out? We’ll look at how they treated Mamdani, AOC and Bernie like little league.
The fact that you call Bernie “the fringe” and dismiss him, his recent rallys, the Philadelphia sanitation union strike, and so much more shows you just want to be defeatist and spout strawmen. I guess AOC doesn’t exist either. So have fun being miserable I guess.
If Bernie is not fringe, could you point out any others who care for the working class as senators outside of AOC? Fringe kind of means minority.
Also, I mentioned AOC so im not sure how my comment made you think she doesn’t exist.
Are you okay man?
I can tell you care about getting real leftists in, so I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
There is absolutely an appetite for a third way/labor/social democrat party if we had a parliamentary system. I actually bet we’d see the entire country shift “left” under those conditions a lot more than people realize, as giving lefties and neolibs room to operate independently would properly marginalize a lot of Republican politics.
New party is fine. New Musk party is a hard no. I’m suprised he didn’t call it the X party, 420 party, or Gigaparty
X Æ A-Xii party
Or the Life of the Party, the After Party, or the Block Party.
It’s the absolute perfect time for Republicans to split…
This is gonna be the first fair Dem primary in decades that will be a fair fight. Musk and Trump having a slap fight while Dems can actually get the most popular candidate into the general?
Let em cook
57% of male Republican voters. Uhh. Sounds good. Large enough to tear a painful bite out of the GOP, but not enough to matter.
And I hope that by now, Democrats know enough not to vote for him.
We’ve had one fascist party, yes. But what about second fascist party?
Make sure you lie to all of your Republican friends about how excited you are for a real party where real Americans can meet in the middle!
Please do it. Split those GOP votes!
For the love of fuck, billionaires do not have your best interests in mind.
Let him be the Jill Stein of the conservatives.
Or a Ross Perot redux.
😈
Fuck Elon Musk. Fuck Elon Musk’s Doge party with stolen info from the US Gov’t about taxpayers. He just wants to pull an RFK for the 2028 elections and I guarantee a new exec order will come forth giving Trump some bullshit advantage that plays right off this because it’s the plan all along.
Fuck Elon Musk
2028 election haha
Elon is a petulant child who knows nothing. That party will only attract people like him, which will be no different than the libertarian / tea party / republicans. This too will fail.
more reality tv bullshit
musk is a fucking muppet
better than trump, who’s also a muppet?
NO. it’s muppets fighting muppets, like Team America: World Police, except irl
"57% of male Republicans " says it all.
Ah yes, the entire population of America
