Having to wait with a black screen before the video starts is completely acceptable to me.
Having to watch Ads is not.I was paying for a whole family (premium). But I will not pay and send money to a fascist state. We’ve cancelled all our us based services.
I never paid and have been using NewPipe for the past 6+ years.
Seems like its already happening.
Yeah, for at least 6 months.
Now you’ll actually get a pop-up claiming “click here to find out why” in regards to the slowness.
I’ve gotten that before too
I pay for YouTube premium so that I can leave the app and listen to videos. I still get ads even though I’m paying. I don’t think there’s a single surefire way to avoid them.
Get Revanced or Newpipe or something like that. You get the same benefits you’re paying for, plus many that you aren’t, and it’s all for free. Not only that, but you’re not giving you’re money to Google.
Newpipe may be of interest to you.
Nebula’s getting better and I spend more time there now than on YouTube. Happy that YouTube is working hard to encourage this transition.
I wish the videos were longer than 8 min on nebula.
There’s a ton of content that’s much longer. There’s no 8-minute limitation.
Philosophy tube and jet lagged are both longer than 8 minutes, I think nilered is on there as well and is definitely longer than 8 minutes.
I’ll never go there. Paid is a no way situation.
It’s not for everyone, but I think it’s reasonable to pay for a platform that pays its content creators fairly. I spend a lot of things watching videos, and even though my income is limited, some kind of payment for the service makes sense.
I don’t mind blocking ads on YouTube because they used unfair practices (endless resources from Google) to destroy the competition and become the only video provider. They put us in a corner and deserve to be put in one too.
I think I should be more clear: I agree that it is reasonable to pay a platform that is fair.
The comparison to youtube is where it gets lost for me:
The issue is that, in general, the value of watching what is typically on youtube is about the level of free. If it cost me money, I could do without, it just isn’t that important. I will find better ways to spend my time. So with Nebula, you have a platform that is more like just another streaming service, albeit a good one for independent creators. But that leaves me thinking what do they have that I would bother watching? Which is a pretty high bar (I didnt even own a tv for nearly 20 years). It seems less like youtube and more like HBO for independents on paper, and without free access how would I know the difference?
I mean that’s fair : value is relative.
The main value of Nebula is no ads. I have YouTube on Firefox with uBlock Origin, so no ads either, but shitty performance due to YouTube fighting the AdBlocker. But more importantly I don’t think the ability to watch YouTube with no ads is a given, so I want to have a viable alternative.
And secondly, I want to support the creators and a platform that sees me as a customer, not as a data-cow to be milked.
I’m sure Nebula will eventually have a free tier, but that can incur high costs and degrade the experience for paying users. They’ll do it when they feel comfortable.
“I want endless curated content for FREE! NO ADS. NO PAY. ONLY CONTENT.”
This guy, probably.
Probably also thinks the minimum wage is theft.
Why be an asshole? Yes I like free I also make things for free. Not everything has to cost.
For ongoing series I like I support directly, like anyone else. Not the platform.
But to charge up front for who knows what? Nope.
You clearly have absolutely no idea what infrastructure costs to run.
Lol, OK.
Thanks for proving my point.
Sure anytime.
so you’d pay if there was a free trial?
That would be an improvement, how would I know I want anything in a store I have to pay before I even consume anything?
I have several subscriptions ditectly to people making things I like.
On the otherhand, I miss when people made things because they liked to. I still do that. I run several sites that has no ads, no charge, because I like the communities I am sharing with.
Then again, it’s not my job so I am afforded that luxury I guess.
It also might be worth saying that watching people do things is not my favorite thing. I would rather actually do things.
Uh, it’s called a “library”.
Libraries are paid for with taxes.
you think libraries are free?
most public libraries and librarians spend a great deal of their time applying for grants, asking for donations, and parsing out the meager state and federal funds they receive. You can tell that a lot goes on in a public library besides what patrons see!
Did you know that staff salaries, books, other library materials, office supplies, and utilities are funded primarily by city and county taxes? (link)
Taking this chance to say support your local libraries! Even just being a patron will show that it’s a necessary resource that needs to continue. My partner and I just were talking about the library today and how we both used to go at least once a week back in the day but we’ve fallen off in the past decade.
So you prefer ad supported content?
Nope.
Don’t care, still better than the ads.
I’ll sit for 2 minutes in front of a black screen and it’ll still be better than 45 seconds of ads.
Did exactly that early days of hulu.
Same. That ole “You seem to be using a proxy service” text served as a nice break 🙌
USE PORNHUB, Start uploading your content there.
Only thing I’m getring at the moment is waiting up to like 30s until the video starts, I’il take that over an ad that long any day.
meh, its still not inconvenient enough to pay 10+ dollars a month. The state of adverts online is so egregious that I would probably sooner stop watching Youtube than pay or put up with ads.
A previous version of uBlock Origin (1.64.1b4) seems to work perfectly on Firefox, just in case.
They will never be happy with how much money they squeeze out of it. When people are watching videos that are 99% ads and the content is limited to two alternating pixels they will still find a way to further optimize their profit-taking. Nothing is ever good enough for the hyper-capitalist; product managers are a disease.
Eventually they’ll start demanding you run their crypto-miners in order to watch a video.
Not only that but the bit-rate as of late seems horrendous, 1080 looks more like 720 or lower with artifacts all over the place.
Yes, some video have a 1080p Premium high nitrate quality option that you need to pay for. It’s just the standard quality, but the free 1080p is now shitty.
It’s very sad there isn’t anything that can even remotely compare to YouTube at this time. All the content is there, can’t get it elsewhere. At least with Firefox, ublock and SponsorBlock, it’s bearable.
Oh, did you not pay for YouTube Extra Premium Plus for the enhanced bit rate?
Bloody peasant…
And really you’re just paying extra for the original 1080 bitrate. What a fucking scam, like I’d pay for that crap.
Artificial scarcity so you’ll pay their dumb subscription fee
I have revanced on my phone and adblock on my laptop so I don’t see ads on youtube on them, but I can’t get rid of the youtube ads on my smart TV so I’m forced to deal with the ads for now… and the contrast shows just how insufferable youtube has become. They’re so fucking aggressive with the ads now. I’m starting to get a full minute of unskippable ads for a 2 minute meme video. It’s completely ridiculous. Not only that but the number of skippable ads, short ads, or videos with just one ad are quickly decreasing. Youtube is destroying itself.
Oh no! You are going to make your platform work like ass? And you expect us to do mental gymnastics in such a way that instead of blaming you (you know the one that has control over the platform) we blame uBlock? The same uBlock that has made using your platform bearable for many years, to the point that I will sit in silence with the screen off instead of watch with ads?
I think even if you make us wait a min before playing the video most would take that over an ad.
I would prefer an ad 🤷 if it doesn’t last a stupid amount of time
That’s what they’re banking on, but we know that eventually they will f*** it up and lose everyone.
Unless we have some serious alternatives, that won’t happen anytime soon
Video hosting is really expensive. Every service running for free will eventually enshitify and turn out similar, because there’s no such thing as free massive servers
Peertube has already delivered the sustainable model: creators host their own videos and viewers assist distribution.
All they need that I see is missing, is a way to discover / search everyone from any instance. Like, a consolidated / federated search.
Not precisely what you’re after but https://sepiasearch.org/
Not exactly, but pretty damned close!
It is now a shortcut on my desktop!
Who pays for the servers? Because if even big platforms like Signal sometimes struggle to pay the bills, in part because they spend a lot on their servers, then it’ll be dozens of times worse with video hosting
Content creators. It’s hard to host everyone’s videos, and it benefits monopolists to imply that doing so is necessary, as it prevents new entrants. It’s not nearly as hard to host your own server (or pay for it to be hosted). It becomes harder when you suddenly become popular, a situation which Peertube explicitly compensates for by sharing the distribution effort between viewers, which scales with popularity.
Signal makes it’s own bed like YouTube by being a single centralised server for everyone. Nobody ever asks “who pays for the servers” when it comes to Matrix or XMPP
It’s not nearly as hard to host your own server (or pay for it to be hosted).
Do you really expect more than even 5% of all youtube channels to do it? You have high hopes.
compensates for by sharing the distribution effort between viewers
I believe it’s done in a kinda P2P way? Didn’t really check, but wouldn’t that just not work with NAT internet connections, which many people have because that’s just more secure this way? Also, bad for privacy.
Using a TURN server would also add huge costs so it’s basically like hosting your own server
Nobody ever asks “who pays for the servers” when it comes to Matrix or XMPP
I don’t so I wouldn’t, but if I was, I would be wondering, as I always do. Anyways, I believe XMPP doesn’t store stuff and only transmits, and Matrix doesn’t store things forever (and doesn’t store videos like YT), and the main instance is funded by donations, and smaller instances are just pretty small and have media wiped when needed
it benefits monopolists to imply that doing so is necessary
That’s the POV of people in [email protected] or selfhosted. Most people can’t be bothered with this shit and are pretty tech illiterate. Some don’t want to waste even a minute. And that’s the case of the very vast majority of people on the internet.
It is… they’ve out spent the competition. Now that no one else is around, they’re trying to make all the money they can. Luckily, it won’t be long before some other alternative will pop up anyway.
People have been saying this for years now.
That’s great! I spend too much time on yt, it’ll break me of my addiction and I’ll do something else besides passive consumption.
