“We set out to solve one of the most common frustrations we hear — finding and changing settings on your PC — using the power of AI agents,” Navjot Virk, corporate vice president of Windows Experiences at Microsoft, said in a blog post on Tuesday. “An agent uses on-device AI to understand your intent and with your permission, automate and execute tasks.”
Changing settings is only frustating because the modern Settings apps sucks ass lol. You can bet everyone was less frustrated with Control Panel.
Nah, did you forget how hidden and inconsistent some of the setting location was in control panel? The windows 11 settings app may have brought some new issues to the table, but ease of finding settings is not it.
If I wasn’t already familiar with how the control panel is laid out, I wouldn’t have any idea how to find most of what I used to do on it. Also, you can only set static IP per adapter in control panel, not for each WiFi connection. That was stupid.
User: “Cortana, secure my PC against data harvesting and surveillance from Microsoft.”
Cortana: “Dave, you are not allowed to have privacy. The 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments do not apply to corporations. Also, Trump is the best that ever was. Stop posting progressive propaganda, else fines will be imposed.”
Couldn’t they have used ai to figure out how to make the settings less obscure instead.
Apple has entered the chat.
you can only see that apple is in the chat by pressing cmd+shift+alt+l+7
The biggest frustration is not me changing settings.
The biggest frustration is windows changing back those settings whenever it feels like it.
This is just doubling down on the “greatest frustration”
Well tbf, they did keep moving them on me and hiding them from me.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they moved them again…behind an AI wall that can interact with them but you can’t without using that AI. Also they’ll continue to reset them whenever they feel like it, if they even successfully get changed by the AI, if the AI doesn’t say “I can’t let you do that Dave” when you try and disable telemetry.
Or maybe the AI just lies and says it changed the setting and then doesn’t. There’s a ‘delete my data’ button on reddit profiles that is literally a fake button, it wouldn’t even be a new tactic.
I figured that’s what this was not their way to help find where ms moved them
Holy shit.
Your ux SUCKS SO MUCH, that instead of making it not shitty…
You developed AI for it?
Are you fucking kidding me
How inept are these developers
They broke alt tab.
That’s how fucking inept they are
In what way?
Multiple ways
- there was an update that meant alt-tab brought you a black screen
- there was another one that meant it didn’t tab between the two most recent windows, but brought up a selection. They tried to tout this as a feature you had to turn off
So one is a bug, and another is a feature I actually use everyday. Did you mean the selection prevents you from quickly changing between recent windows? I don’t remember it actually slowing down my switching at all.
Edit: no, wtf am i doing
The thread was about inept the coders were.
Here is your answer: They were so fucking inept they broke a fundamental function and it made it to production. Then they did it deliberately.
That’s how inept they are.
End of.
You brought back an old, old memory of reading a Dave Barry novel about computers. In it, he describes going to a Microsoft convention in which they introduced, IIRC, Windows 95; while describing the taskbar, they apparently touted “no more alt+tab!”
Dear god, those fools never worked with two spreadsheets at once in their life
Microsoft Windows be like
**bangs chest** **glass panel of case explodes**
Alright, that’s fucking it. Next long weekend I have, I’m figuring out how to install Bazzite.
Watch a quick YouTube video about Bazzite. The installation is easy.
I’ve been trying to get some of my games to work on Bazzite… no hope!
nVidia GPU’s get a 20% decrease in performance. AMD works better.
This is why I got my 70 year old mother on a frameworks laptop running pop OS. It looks like a Mac and she thinks its pretty. Switching cost is over hyped. Fuck big tech
Perhaps you could just make them easier to find by putting them in one location… You could call it a “control panel”.
They even killed wmic. It was like control panel but in the command prompt.
That functionality is built in to powershell now, that’s why they retired that.
Curious who the hell downvoted you.
Have you actually ever used Control Panel?
Misses the point.
Firstly they still have the control panel.
Secondly they are slowly transitioning everything relevant from the control panel to the settings app.
Thirdly even having everything in the control panel didn’t make it easy to find exactly what you wanted.
This makes it so you can just say “set my power profile to balanced” and it would do so. That’s a nice, welcome addition.
I know what the point is. It sucks.
Firstly they still have the control panel.
For now
Secondly they are slowly transitioning everything relevant from the control panel to the settings app.
The settings app is half-baked dog shit.
Thirdly even having everything in the control panel didn’t make it easy to find exactly what you wanted.
It was certainly easier than the current state of things.
This makes it so you can just say “set my power profile to balanced” and it would do so. That’s a nice, welcome addition.
Sure assuming the AI understands your request and the setting you want hasn’t been removed because they wanted to put everything in the settings app and the one you wanted conflicts with their data gathering and add presentation and it’s not running in the background bogging down your system all the time or trying to interject itself into whatever you’re trying to do without involving it.
For now
Yes, for now. I even said as much, because Microsoft have made their plans on getting rid of it very clear and open. It’s slowly being replaced by moving everything to the settings app.
The settings app is half-baked dog shit.
You could say that it’s slowly getting all the features added to it, couldn’t you? What is “half baked dog shit” about it?
It was certainly easier than the current state of things.
What was easier to find in the control panel than it is in settings?
Sure assuming the AI understands your request and the setting you want hasn’t been removed because they wanted to put everything in the settings app
You think that the AI would not have access and knowledge of the settings app? They made no mention of the AI Agents only being able to make changes in the control panel.
and it’s not running in the background bogging down your system all the time
You’ve never actually used windows 11, have you?
What is “half baked dog shit” about it?
The fact that they’re moving things over slowly instead of just fucking finishing it before they deploy it all at once. They’ve been doing this since Windows 10 came out, they have a trillion dollars. There’s no excuse to have it be half assed for so long especially considering “Settings” isn’t even an improvement.
What was easier to find in the control panel than it is in settings?
Literally everything? You don’t have to click through 14 different menus to drill down to what you’re looking for. It’s all on one window in Control Panel. Just look at Devices and Printers in Control Panel vs. Devices in settings or Programs and Features vs. Apps and features the newer versions have far less information available at a glance.
You’ve never actually used windows 11, have you?
I use it every day on my work PC. It runs like ass.
Correction: they’ve been doing it since Windows 8.
Windows 8 came out 13 years ago.
Wasn’t it vista that started to hide things in the control panel?
Totally forgot Windows 8. We skipped it because of how shitty it was.
The fact that they’re moving things over slowly instead of just fucking finishing it before they deploy it all at once.
I’ve already been over this, as have MS many times.
There’s no excuse to have it be half assed for so long especially considering “Settings” isn’t even an improvement.
Making any change to legacy systems in Windows is a massive risk and requires a lot of work. Win32 for example isn’t good and should have been removed a loooooong time ago, but here we are still with it.
Literally everything? You don’t have to click through 14 different menus to drill down to what you’re looking for.
Got any examples of this? Settings are generally at most 3 levels deep from the main settings screen.
Just look at Devices and Printers in Control Panel vs. Devices in settings
What am I looking at? The “Bluetooth & Devices” settings page is good. What’s wrong with it?
It runs like ass.
It’s not even debatable though - it’s the most performant windows ever lol. It doesn’t “run like ass” unless you’re using “ass” hardware and/or software, at which point any prior windows would be running even worse.
Secondly they are slowly transitioning everything relevant from the control panel to the settings app.
Emphasis on the “slowly”. It’s been four years!!
Yeah, emphasis on slowly - because that is how it has been planned. They’re slowly rolling out the changes to prevent another Windows 8 type backlash.
Bullshit to all those points. If you couldnt find it in the control panel before, you sure as shit cant find it now.
Also, they’ve been “slowly” transitioning for over two years, wtf? We waiting for the next OS at this point?
I do NOT need voice activation, I know how to use a keyboard and mouse, the core components of input for a computer.
You want to use your voice, talk to your mom cause I’m done with her.
j/k on the mom part
If you couldnt find it in the control panel before, you sure as shit cant find it now.
Oh you’ve tried this new AI Agent that can change the settings for you, have you?
Bullshit to all those points.
Which points are “bullshit”? That they’re slowly moving everything out of the control panel to the settings app? This is literally what they’ve been telling us they’re doing, and what we’ve seen them do.
That they still have the control panel? Nope, not bullshit, it’s still there.
That being able to ask Copilot to change a setting would be helpful? How is that bullshit?
I do NOT need voice activation
Good thing it’s not MANDATORY then. You can keep using your mouse and keyboard. Also you don’t have to use your VOICE for copilot - it’s much easier to use the mouse and keyboard. That’s how most people use it.
Also, they’ve been “slowly” transitioning for over two years, wtf? We waiting for the next OS at this point?
This stuff takes time unfortunately. If they change everything at once they get even more anger and pushback. This way it’s just a slow and easy move away from the control panel - 1 thing here, 2 things there, and before you know it hey look! Everything is in the settings app now!
Oh good mum joke big fella! So clever and badarse.
I’d rather they spend time fixing all the things theyre “working on” rather than introduce more half baked shit into the os for fucks sake. There is a huge list of things that keep people from upgrading so instead they said “now you have to”. Fuck that. Just fix your shit and people will upgrade willingly.
Fuck windows. They had a great thing going with Windows 10, then the reneged. They said windows 10 was going to be the last major OS for windows. How do we trust anything from Microsoft now?
now it’s going to cause people to trash their working device because it’s only 7th gen and doesn’t have TPM 2.0. greedy little piggies who want to track their users and throw privacy out the window.
now it’s going to cause people to trash their working device because it’s only 7th gen and doesn’t have TPM 2.0
No one is going to do this lol.
Well see.
Cant argue with a Linux user, just leave
I’m a windows user, but I can call shit when I see shit.
The problem is you’ve got shit on your own glasses so you’re seeing everything as shit.
Maybe if you didn’t split settings into that half-baked settings app, then leave control panel in place with the remaining settings, but make control panel increasingly difficult to get to, we wouldn’t need a stupid AI agent to help us change settings.
Yes! I really feel all this copilot bullshit is to hide the fact they released windows 11 broken as fuck and here 2.5 years later it’s still a pile of shit. It’s just fucked. I have to use it daily for work and clients and it’s done nothing but prepare me to install W10 LTSC this summer or move to Linux. Problem with Linux is a have an Nvidia GPU and don’t like having to fuck with that, otherwise Zorin it will be. Windows 11 pushes me everyday to hate it more and more. Seriously. Daily fucking updates for broken shit and shoving AI down our throats. Fuck windows.
I’m dualbooting CachyOS with windows, no issues with my rtx 4070 super.
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I’ll look into it again this summer. It’s on the list, just not at the moment
I’m in a similar situation, though I’ve already got a dual boot set up so it’s just a matter of only using Windows when I just absolutely have to.
Earlier today, I tried to zip a directory on Windows 11 with the context menu, and it wouldn’t do it! It’s a feature that’s been in Windows forever and is even in Ubuntu, but somehow over at Microsoft they’ve managed to break it. Incredible.
Windows 11 actually released 3.5 years ago!
Oof.
I have an nvidia GPU and it worked out of the box.
I need to look into it more, it’s on my list for this summer
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Ot you can just right click the start menu
Ah Christ. We’ve collectively regressed so much in computer knowledge that people can’t even find a settings menu? Even I have trouble believing that one.
Finding settings in Windows is pretty hard
The last time finding settings in Windows was straight forward was Windows 95. Since the stupid dumbed down ‘settings’ app was vomited upon us, it has been nearly impossible to find the thing you know is there but has now been renamed and moved, and isn’t even indexed in the settings app search bar.
The registry never has and never will be simple nor usable. Windows is rotten to the core.
Have you tried to configure gnome beyond what is offered in its GUI ?
The reasoning I moved from Windows to Linux was this right here.
If I’m going to be fighting with Windows anyway, because of the registry giving me issues, then the drawback of “but Linux hard! You have to configure things!” was moot.
No, I’m a happy i3wm user.
Because I’ve tried to get GNOME to do what I wanted. (Also it was too slow on the machines I was using at the time).
And that’s besides the point: on linux you can just use a good DE without messing with much – KDE, cinnamon, etc…
Just to be the devil’s advocate here: There are way more settings now than back then. That interface wouldn’t cut it either.
The problem isn’t the new coat of paint - it’s more that Microsoft keeps painting half the building then starting over for the new OS. It’s frustrating that the key to finding a setting is knowing when it was developed to know which UI you need to be digging through.
Even on 11 hit winkey+r then type in CONTROL
Not convinced the number matter as much if settings are indexed and thus searchable, which they probably are now otherwise the “AI” wouldn’t be able to access them. So… just more convolutions for the end user?
kinda fair considering windows has like 20 control panels that should all do the same thing but at the end of the day you still need to use regedit.
The problem that i cant find the setting, or it’s in a different app or intentionally cant be changed easily. I want to limit my battery to charge only when below 30%; but i cant do that in battery or power settings. I want to disable some “feature” where windows randomly adds a new keybord layout to windows, but this is not a setting but seems to be a bug. I want to completely disable usb- or lan-wakeup, but despite changing settings in the device manager my desktop is sometimes turned on in the morning after i set it to hibernate the night before. I dont want one-drive or cloud, but this is also not a setting but a design decision by the MS marketing department to make money with their half-baked cloud solutions.
Disabling wol and USB is usually a bios-level setting. Everything else is windows being shite.
Tired that as well, no luck.
Which one Windows has multiple 😅
Well, there’s the small issue of Windows now having control panel the settings app and some shitty third thing sprinkled in there somewhere. There are some things that should have settings but don’t. You can no longer simply disable Windows update on your own, because Microsoft has decided they know best.
I unironically had a friend who hated Linux Mint for awhile because he believed for YEARS you always double click applications in the task bar like you would on your desktop. When he switched he was so furious how apps would crash and/or just not start until I told him “dude… just click it once”
I have no idea how this didn’t happen on Windows or how he never had something open up twice
You know that windows 10 still has the original control panel hidden deep in there.
Why do that
Seems like it would have been cheaper, easier, and better pr to just simplify settings or have them in more logical categories, but what would I know.
If a problem exists, and you try to fix it without AI, do you even stand a chance at getting promoted?
It’s rather apparent that you composed this comment without AI. Guess I’ll have to give that pay raise to myself again…
Of course this is a solved problem and has been a solved problem for at least 15 years now. It’s called a flat wide hierarchy. Rather than trying to put everything into categories you just put everything into alphabetical order and then have a search box. Want to change the background, it’s under B for Background, rather than having to go to
Display Settings > Customisation > Desktop Background > Custom Background > Select ImageWindows already does that. If you type Wallpaper in the search on your task bar, changing your background is at the top. Maybe AI is useful for people who don’t know what the thing they want to do is called? It’s just an extension of flat wide.
If you type Wallpaper in the Windows search bar you’ll likely get bing results for ”Top trendy wallpapers to spice up your living room!”
What do you mean likely? You don’t.
The real problem with the search bar is that Microsoft chose to make it language dependent, so you will need to know entirely different search terms to navigate e.g. a German Windows install’s settings that way than an English one.
Well sort of, you’re right that they’ve introduced a search bar but that’s all they’ve done. It’s all still broken down into fairly arbitrarily arrived at categories it’s not in alphabet order, or in fact any real order.
Sound settings are under peripherals for god’s sake. I mean sure okay speakers are a peripheral I guess but when you say peripheral you think things like webcams, not basic I/O.
Is I/O in this context input/output? I’ve seen it used this way before but I’m not super techie so no clue.
It is, yes.
It’s much more fun to just half-ass a new control panel with only a few features, and then hide the old, fully-functional control panel.
Bonus points if you can then begrudgingly finally show the old, useful, control panel when a user clicks 6 layers deep in the new panel.
First time using Microsoft products, is it?
Option 1: Admit your UI choices (made mostly to accommodate an all tablet PC future that never arrived) are terrible and redesign the Windows settings screens to display all new and old settings that still work, with search functions.
Option 2: Spend tens of billions training an AI to find those settings and change them.
Well done, Microsoft. I knew you’d make the right choice.
Tell me this Ai is in-box and not external like all the others.
If not, there’s gonna be a shed load of upset boomers who killed their net and can’t get it back.
Even the little blurb right here says it’s on-device.
I agree option 1 is the correct choice, though it does appear they are slowly going that direction… very slowly.
But they definitely didn’t spend millions, nevermind billions, on shoehorning this one extra feature into their existing AI models.
I agree option 1 is the correct choice, though it does appear they are slowly going that direction…
Really? Because every new Windows version is even worse than the one before it. There are now 3? 4? different places to change network settings, but only one of them actually works correctly, if you modify the wrong one it will act like it worked but will silently break all networking on the machine instead.
They’ve moved away from touch centric controls, and are “slowly” moving things into the modern settings. I never claimed their shit was clean, just moving in what seems to be the right direction, for the most part.
I set up my pc as dual boot a few weeks back. Opened up windows yesterday, for the first time in a while, to export a few settings from thunderbird. Took about half an hour to get it started. Felt like popping round to the house of an abusive ex to pick up the last of my things.
Holy f***, God forbid making settings menus that actually get you to where you want to go, definitely wouldn’t want to do that, much better to AI.
No shit… If you want to solve the common frustration of not being able to find settings, maybe don’t put half of them in a settings app and the other half in the control panel, and then rename and move all of them every year.
Don’t forget, outright removing a UI for modifying settings forcing users to use registry mods, potentially a PS command, or a third party tool to force the behavior you lost from a simple setting removal.
If you have to supply your users with AI support to figure out how to configure your OS, you might be doing something wrong.
Let’s be honest. You could make the simplest most intuitive UI and people still won’t spend the 30 seconds to read.
No regular user can configure anything. Most are barely literate and have the reading comprehension of a 6-8 year old.
Ai allows them to just say, turn down the brightness, turn down the volume, use this program to open this file from now on, which makes 10% configuration accessible to the 99% who otherwise would have 1% or less.
For them, adding the AI is probably cheaper then fixing the UI.
By that definition, linux is doing something wrong. Despite it being my daily driver, I have zero clue how it works, or how to do anything.
100x worse if the word “terminal” is used.
I don’t think anyone’s ever said Linux is user friendly for non technical people. Atleast not earnestly or without hard coping
non technical people are doing pretty well, because they don’t try to install photoshop or nvidia drivers downloaded from the nvidia drivers page.
The “windows power user” are the hardest demographic, because they expect to know what they are doing but the don’t if they are new to linux.
What did LTT write in the terminal again: “i know that this opperation will delete my gui and i am sure that i want that”, presses enter and wonders why his gui is gone. go figure
I love Linux because it treats the user like an adult, and let’s them delete their UI if that’s their prerogative. No kink shaming there.
I want to say I’ve read that statement like 10 times this week on lemmy
I’ve literally heard for 15-20 years now that “This is the year of linux! It’s so much easier and better than windows!”
My response has been that if Linux ever had an interface that’s intuitive, and non-techies can take to instantly, Linux would actually grow. Their reply each time is that “Linux is getting more popular by the day!”. And that’s true. However, it’s a bit misleading. About a year ago I read that Linux was at the highest usage it’s ever had, at roughly 5% of the market.
Think about that. Linux has been around in some form since 1991, and it’s always been free (with a few exceptions). A free platform can’t compete against Apple, who’s notorious for being ungodly expensive, and Windows, who’s known for being costly in it’s own right, and also terribly optimized. Still running certain code in the background since windows 95. Yet Linux, as of a year ago cracked an all time high of 5%. Which may as well be a rounding error.
The ONLY reason I use linux as my daily driver, is because my other daily driver, which I haven’t booted in a few months, is Windows 7. And I’m not even worried about the security issues. It’s just gotten sluggish, and less and less things work on it over time. It’s easier to just use linux, as I mostly just use it as a means to open a browser anyways. My desktop looks more like Windows XP than linux. It just doesn’t act like Windows XP.
That’s what we need. A Linux distro that functions exactly like a modern day Windows XP. I think Windows XP couldn’t handle hard drives with more than 4TB. So, obviously that’s something a modern OS would fix. But the idea of just clicking .exe files, and installing them like on windows? That works for me. All the stuff Linux users hate about windows? If it were optimized and modernized, I’d take that over traditional Linux experiences.
But I will never use Windows 10 or especially 11. Fuck that.
You’ve clearly never supported users on windows and macos when they weren’t already familiar with it or you’d never imply that windows and macos had intuitive interfaces that nontechies could take to instantly. None of them do but for a long time the default interface people were introduced to and taught to use was primarily windows unless they were doing art or media when they got introduced to macos instead.
You are looking at this the wrong way. Nobody needs to compete with Windows and Mac, particularly volunteers do not want to be free support for people too lazy to learn the slightest thing for themselves and asking all the questions already covered prominently in the documentation again and again. Why would anyone optimize to get those people to Linux in their projects?
You’re making the mistake in assuming that what’s popular must be the best/easiest. That’s definitely not true. People don’t pick Windows because it’s easier to use than other OSes. They pick it because that’s what they’re used to. It takes a lot of inertia to get over what people are comfortable with and get them to use something different.
My biggest complaint about Linux is how literally everything requires you to do some arcane magic in the terminal.
Just make it a button damn it. As it is I just copy and paste what I’m told into the terminal so you could have just added a button into the operating system that just did that behind the scenes.
Literally everything? Hardly anything requires a terminal these days. The only reason tutorials tell you to use a terminal is because they don’t know what GUI you’re using. You can usually do the same thing in the GUI.
Not to mention that the terminal is just so much more efficient for a tutorial than that whole 20 screenshots with circles where to click nonsense. 20 screenshots you will have to redo when the GUI designer inevitably decides to do a “redesign” because they are bored and want to justify their existence.
Regardless of the reason the problem remains that there is no consistent design distro to distro and that’s a problem for the end user. If we’re ever going to have “year of Linux” then the developers are going to have to get over themselves and stop with the idea that everyone who is going to use their platform is technologically inclined.
Otherwise it’s always outgoing to just be for the techies. Can you imagine your grandparents trying to use Linux and then looking stuff up on their own and then doing something wrong because they don’t know what distro they’re on? Nightmare.
problem remains that there is no consistent design distro to distro
You might have had a point if you wrote that back in the days before phone UIs and Windows versions and websites all completely redesigning their UIs every 5 minutes but this is clearly nonsense at this point.
Can you imagine your grandparents trying to use Linux and then looking stuff up on their own and then doing something wrong because they don’t know what distro they’re on? Nightmare.
No, actually the actual nightmare is them using Windows and asking me about it on the phone and me having to talk them through mouse clicks in an unfamiliar GUI instead of just telling them which command to enter in the terminal like I would on a sane OS like Linux.
There is no problem. Yes, they pretty much are consistent distro to distro. Desktop to Desktop is a bit different but not by much.
My grandparents have had a much easier time with Linux than Windows. Both environments would be confusing to look up if something goes wrong. Fortunately since linux packages are updated together, not much goes wrong. Cant say that for windows. Stuff is always popping up and asking questions and changing.
Can you imagine your grandparents trying to use Linux and then looking stuff up on their own and then doing something wrong because they don’t know what distro they’re on? Nightmare.
My mom is in no way technically inclined. Quite the opposite in fact. (She’s in her seventies, so it’s understandable.) She’s been using Ubuntu since 2015. My dad used to try to switch her back to Windows once in a while, and she’d yell at him that she hated it, then he’d switch her back. My dad finally came around a couple years ago after getting a Steam Deck, and now he uses Fedora.
Funnily enough, since Ubuntu and Fedora both use Gnome, they have the same interface. I also use Fedora and Bazzite. All of these OSes use Gnome. They all have the same interface (when Bazzite is in Desktop Mode).
So, really, I don’t know what you’re on about.
Why is this repeated over and over on Lemmy? It is nonsense.
There is a button. You don’t need the terminal any more or less than any other OS. Yes people give advice with commands. They are not magic nor arcane, but it is so much easier to tell you to do a command than 20 pages of diagrams and drawings on how to use the gui to do the same thing.
The good thing is that most of those “arcane magic things” in the terminal can simply be copied and pasted into said terminal. Whereas finding an obscure option on a windows program setting three requestors and five buttons deep is a nightmare, especially if your UI is not set to English.
I don’t think that is a particularly fair assessment. ZorinOS for example has been our home OS for years now. No terminal required.
It’s a dying problem, but it’s gonna take a while to finish dying off. Linux is currently mostly used by more technically capable people, so avoiding the terminal has historically been a lower priority compared to getting things to work at all. I think that’s changing as things get increasingly stable and usable with support for popular things like gaming. Once that base functionality is there, more and more attention will turn to polishing the UI and finding ways to hide the terminal.
I cut my teeth on Linux when red hat was trying to make things “user friendly” with control panel like guis but they consistently couldn’t do what I wanted so I had to learn the terminal anyway.
25+ years later, I’ll use a gui if it works and it’s easy, but I still have trust issues that I don’t have with a config file. You put shit in a config file, it’s going to do what you asked (right or wrong) or sigterm trying… And I appreciates that.
That said, I do mostly gui config on my daily driver these days. Servers however… No gui, no problem.
