honest question here. unless there is video and audio proof. how the fuck could someone be charged for this 20+ years later over “he said she said”? like how the hell does that work. Could i just pick a random person and say they raped me in 2002 and then they will go to prison?
unless there is video and audio proof. how the fuck could someone be charged for this 20+ years later over “he said she said”?
Same way a cold murder case gets investigated when all the DNA has degraded. They rely on circumstantial evidence. Now, that word has been corrupted by procedural crime drama TV shows, but make no mistake, a LOT of criminal cases are successfully prosecuted based on circumstantial evidence, because it is still legitimate evidence even though it’s not direct evidence. They’ll go through his electronic devices and look at text messages and photos and retrieve voice mails, they’ll conduct interviews with others who were told about the allegations at the time and see how those stories line up, and so on.
I’m not as familiar with this particular case as others are, but from the other comments I’ve read, it looks like the victim(s) had already filed police reports 20+ years ago, but those didn’t go anywhere for whatever reason (lack of evidence, incompetent police work, etc). So that helps the case quite a bit.
Could i just pick a random person and say they raped me in 2002 and then they will go to prison?
Technically, yes. There have been cases where this has happened, although it is extremely rare. The police would investigate your allegations and almost certainly find them lacking, at which point you would be charged with filing false police reports, and most likely sued by the person you accused.
Here’s a fun statistic: A man is more likely to be raped than to be falsely accused of rape. Just in case you were wondering how often the latter happens.
Could i just pick a random person and say they raped me in 2002 and then they will go to prison?
Yes, that is how it works. They will be in prison the next day.
It’s actually really easy. All you have to do is prepare some evidence, such as text messages and emails in 2002.
Then you need to have several really cool and chill interviews with detectives. You should get your family and friends to lie to the police as well – tell them to say that you described the fabricated rape to them way back in 2002.
You should also make up some fake police reports from 2002 which were not pursued.
The real trick though is getting several other women to do the same thing.
Then yeah, the next day the police will arrest the person you’ve accused and they will be jailed without trial.
He was charged, not found guilty yet, a charge doesn’t automatically mean you’re guilty. You should wait for criminal proceedings to end before declaring he did it. So many people are quick to presume the guilt or innocence of people who were charged before they’re even convicted.
Edit: also, this wasn’t a genuine question. Read it again, the poster makes a bunch of ridiculous assumptions to frame this as an absurd scenario. People who ask questions like this aren’t doing it in good faith, and they should be told to fuck off with prejudice.
I imagine in the case of a false rape accusation, not only Lemmy would jump to this guy’s defense, but the accusation will totally not fuck this guy’s life forever
Are you ok? That is call law and order. You accuse someone, judge look into it, if there is a merit, it goes to trial, and law can determine based on evidence?
Did you read my question and comprehend it? I said other than video or audio proof how could there been be evidence in a case like this other than hearsay?
Likely there would be more evidence. Eye witness accounts of the two parties together around the time of the incident; photos taken before or after the assault; Hospital records; Police reports made that were not followed up at the time; Texts; Call logs; surveillance video. There is a lot of evidence that can support an accusation like this.
As to why it’s been so long, coming forward after events like this can be terrifying. People who have been assaulted can hold a lot of self-blame. They can feel alone in their trauma, and the chorus of “she was asking for it” and other bs would be a big deterrent from coming forward. Isolation and stigma are a big reason that powerful people have gotten away with being abusive monsters for so long. It’s also why multiple accusations seem to crop up at the same time. The claimants see others who have suffered like them and feel less isolated and more supported in their claims.
honest question here. unless there is video and audio proof. how the fuck could someone be charged for this 20+ years later over “he said she said”? like how the hell does that work. Could i just pick a random person and say they raped me in 2002 and then they will go to prison?
Same way a cold murder case gets investigated when all the DNA has degraded. They rely on circumstantial evidence. Now, that word has been corrupted by procedural crime drama TV shows, but make no mistake, a LOT of criminal cases are successfully prosecuted based on circumstantial evidence, because it is still legitimate evidence even though it’s not direct evidence. They’ll go through his electronic devices and look at text messages and photos and retrieve voice mails, they’ll conduct interviews with others who were told about the allegations at the time and see how those stories line up, and so on.
I’m not as familiar with this particular case as others are, but from the other comments I’ve read, it looks like the victim(s) had already filed police reports 20+ years ago, but those didn’t go anywhere for whatever reason (lack of evidence, incompetent police work, etc). So that helps the case quite a bit.
Technically, yes. There have been cases where this has happened, although it is extremely rare. The police would investigate your allegations and almost certainly find them lacking, at which point you would be charged with filing false police reports, and most likely sued by the person you accused.
Here’s a fun statistic: A man is more likely to be raped than to be falsely accused of rape. Just in case you were wondering how often the latter happens.
Yes, that is how it works. They will be in prison the next day.
It’s actually really easy. All you have to do is prepare some evidence, such as text messages and emails in 2002.
Then you need to have several really cool and chill interviews with detectives. You should get your family and friends to lie to the police as well – tell them to say that you described the fabricated rape to them way back in 2002.
You should also make up some fake police reports from 2002 which were not pursued.
The real trick though is getting several other women to do the same thing.
Then yeah, the next day the police will arrest the person you’ve accused and they will be jailed without trial.
You’re a fucking idiot.
LOL goddamn
He was charged, not found guilty yet, a charge doesn’t automatically mean you’re guilty. You should wait for criminal proceedings to end before declaring he did it. So many people are quick to presume the guilt or innocence of people who were charged before they’re even convicted.
Relax buddy. He was asking a genuine question, not doubting the victim.
Yeah, it was a genuinely dumb question.
Edit: also, this wasn’t a genuine question. Read it again, the poster makes a bunch of ridiculous assumptions to frame this as an absurd scenario. People who ask questions like this aren’t doing it in good faith, and they should be told to fuck off with prejudice.
You. I like you. Keep doing what you’re doing. 💛
Idk, you look a little rapey to me.
Yeah, he’s just asking questions, what’s the big deal?
Sounds like a lot of not evidence to me. Also, probably bring it up sooner.
I imagine in the case of a false rape accusation, not only Lemmy would jump to this guy’s defense, but the accusation will totally not fuck this guy’s life forever
Are you ok? That is call law and order. You accuse someone, judge look into it, if there is a merit, it goes to trial, and law can determine based on evidence?
Did you read my question and comprehend it? I said other than video or audio proof how could there been be evidence in a case like this other than hearsay?
Did you read [email protected] 's answer? Cause it sure doesn’t seem like it.
Go on, read it first before coming back with your oh-so-valid ‘question’.
Likely there would be more evidence. Eye witness accounts of the two parties together around the time of the incident; photos taken before or after the assault; Hospital records; Police reports made that were not followed up at the time; Texts; Call logs; surveillance video. There is a lot of evidence that can support an accusation like this.
As to why it’s been so long, coming forward after events like this can be terrifying. People who have been assaulted can hold a lot of self-blame. They can feel alone in their trauma, and the chorus of “she was asking for it” and other bs would be a big deterrent from coming forward. Isolation and stigma are a big reason that powerful people have gotten away with being abusive monsters for so long. It’s also why multiple accusations seem to crop up at the same time. The claimants see others who have suffered like them and feel less isolated and more supported in their claims.