The Air Force is the only one of the military branches involved in President Donald Trump's mandated border mission to not disclose publicly the number of service members or what units they're coming from.
I think the main problem people are having is that they are being used to enforce domestic policy within the United States, which is not normal at all and is arguably illegal.
Ok so you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. There are a lot of people in OPs image but only 4 are Air Force personnel, see if you can spot them.
Oh right, I forgot that if you are in the Air Force, that is the only possible way you can dress at all times. Never does anyone in the Air Force ever wear anything other than that.
Then you would know that not everyone on the plane would be wearing multicam.
It’s a bit too blurry to be sure, but I’m pretty sure the guy standing to the right in the back next to the console with what looks like a patrol cap is more than likely the loadmaster and would be wearing a flight suit and over jacket.
Still a bit hard to tell, but the guy is wearing a headset unlike any other of the border patrol guys, so he very well may be part of the flight crew. The point is that there’s going to be at least 3 flight crew not in multicam.
I think you need to read this conversation, because you are making less and less sense.
Me:
Oh right, I forgot that if you are in the Air Force, that is the only possible way you can dress at all times. Never does anyone in the Air Force ever wear anything other than that.
You:
Why else would I be making so many comments?
Your question does not follow what I said, and you literally made it about you making comments as if that had any relevance to the suggestion that Air Force personnel can only wear one type of outfit.
Or are you saying you’re one of the people in that photo and that’s why you think this is something about you?
There are a lot of people in OPs image but only 4 are Air Force personnel, see if you can spot them.
What does the percent of people in the picture being in the service have to do with anything…? We’re talking about federal military members being ordered by the executive to enforce domestic policy, which is illegal.
Are you purposely being obtuse, or are you really this dumb?
And yes, I can spot the Air Force personnel… I’ve spent 18 years living on AFB all over the country and abroad, my dad was a SMSgt.
We’re talking about federal military members being ordered by the executive to enforce domestic policy, which is illegal.
The Air Force is not enforcing domestic policy here. If you see Airman out on the streets arresting people then you’d have a point. That’s why I mentioned the 6 agents. The USAF is providing logistical support (yes they bring their own security too, the 4 in multicams).
The Air Force is not enforcing domestic policy here. If you see Airman out on the streets arresting people then you’d have a point.
I don’t think you have any kind of authority to really substantiate that particular semantic dispute.
I’m sure we’ll probably see it brought before a court at some point, but I would argue that if the policy isn’t possible to execute without the logistical support of the military then the military is crucial to the enforcement of the policy.
The armed forces can’t execute law domestically. The question driving the discussion here is what exactly constitutes “executing law.” According to DoD policy, the armed forces are prohibited from performing the following law enforcement activities:
interdiction of a vehicle, vessel, aircraft, or other similar activity
a search or seizure;
an arrest; apprehension; stop and frisk; engaging in interviews, interrogations, canvassing, or questioning of potential witnesses or suspects; or similar activity;
using force or physical violence, brandishing a weapon, discharging or using a weapon, or threatening to discharge or use a weapon except in self-defense, in defense of other DoD persons in the vicinity, or in defense of non-DoD persons, including civilian law enforcement personnel, in the vicinity when directly related to an assigned activity or mission;
evidence collection; security functions; crowd and traffic control; and operating, manning, or staffing checkpoints;
surveillance or pursuit of individuals, vehicles, items, transactions, or physical locations, or acting as undercover agents, informants, investigators, or interrogators; and
forensic investigations or other testing of evidence obtained from a suspect for use in a civilian law enforcement investigation
According to DoD policy, the armed forces are prohibited from performing the following law enforcement activities:
This article is limited to national guard personnel, active duty troops have even more limitations to domestic operations. Which is why national guard units were utilized to “secure the border”, and not actual active duty service members.
Applies to National Guard (NG) personnel in Reference (d) status only.
e. Applies to civilian employees of the DoD Components and the activities of DoD
contractors performed in support of the DoD Components.
I think the main problem people are having is that they are being used to enforce domestic policy within the United States, which is not normal at all and is arguably illegal.
Ok so you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. There are a lot of people in OPs image but only 4 are Air Force personnel, see if you can spot them.
That would probably be a lot easier if they didn’t remove all of their patches. Huh…
Not really considering they’re wearing multicams.
Oh right, I forgot that if you are in the Air Force, that is the only possible way you can dress at all times. Never does anyone in the Air Force ever wear anything other than that.
Why else would I be making so many comments?
Then you would know that not everyone on the plane would be wearing multicam.
It’s a bit too blurry to be sure, but I’m pretty sure the guy standing to the right in the back next to the console with what looks like a patrol cap is more than likely the loadmaster and would be wearing a flight suit and over jacket.
Higher quality photo along with a gallery located here: https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8840870/department-defense-augments-us-customs-and-border-protection-removal-flight-efforts
Still a bit hard to tell, but the guy is wearing a headset unlike any other of the border patrol guys, so he very well may be part of the flight crew. The point is that there’s going to be at least 3 flight crew not in multicam.
Your question doesn’t even follow what I said. I wasn’t even talking about you. Not everything is about you.
*responds to smartass comment*
“Not everything is about you bro!”
Ok
I think you need to read this conversation, because you are making less and less sense.
Me:
You:
Your question does not follow what I said, and you literally made it about you making comments as if that had any relevance to the suggestion that Air Force personnel can only wear one type of outfit.
Or are you saying you’re one of the people in that photo and that’s why you think this is something about you?
What does the percent of people in the picture being in the service have to do with anything…? We’re talking about federal military members being ordered by the executive to enforce domestic policy, which is illegal.
Are you purposely being obtuse, or are you really this dumb?
And yes, I can spot the Air Force personnel… I’ve spent 18 years living on AFB all over the country and abroad, my dad was a SMSgt.
The Air Force is not enforcing domestic policy here. If you see Airman out on the streets arresting people then you’d have a point. That’s why I mentioned the 6 agents. The USAF is providing logistical support (yes they bring their own security too, the 4 in multicams).
If you disagree please look it up yourself.
I don’t think you have any kind of authority to really substantiate that particular semantic dispute.
I’m sure we’ll probably see it brought before a court at some point, but I would argue that if the policy isn’t possible to execute without the logistical support of the military then the military is crucial to the enforcement of the policy.
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This article is limited to national guard personnel, active duty troops have even more limitations to domestic operations. Which is why national guard units were utilized to “secure the border”, and not actual active duty service members.