• UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    im’ guessing it has a lot to do with old white dudes being in charge of those institutions. trump just gave them an excuse to do the shitty things they were otherwise embarrassed to say out loud.

    plus corporations gave up on any and all ethics years ago. the concept of “right and wrong” does not exist for them.

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    If you want an actual answer: the answer is because it’s still a pretty controversial topic in the US. If you leave the echo chamber here, you’ll find the vast majority of people, even those who support the trans movement, are pretty universally against trans women competing in sports. The fact the movemen tried to force it down everyone’s throat and shame anyone who disagreed moved a lot of people from neutral to negative.

    When I was growing up, there was no girls wrestling, but “boys” sports in high school aren’t “boys” they’re “open”. We had girls on the wrestling team, girls on the football team. Now as they got older and the boys got bigger and stronger, something like football is a generally a non-starter.

    All of that is to say: corporations aren’t going to die on this hill when there isn’t a clear majority of Americans supporting it.

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        I guess it’s a good thing the question wasn’t: what was the first thing Trump went after.

        The question was: why aren’t corporations pushing back. If you read what I said, instead of apparently assuming I don’t understand the order of events of Trumps idiocy, you’d see that I’m telling you that SPORTS has driven folks who would normally be neutral or supporting of transgender rights in the opposite direction. You can say that’s stupid, you can say you don’t like it, but that’s reality. And the INSISTENCE on the trans community of pushing the sports thing gave Trump and company an in to make it the central focus of the discussion.

        Why on earth would ANY business get in the middle of that when, again, the majority of Americans do not support it? A topic like this leaves no room for nuance, either a company supports transgender rights and everything that goes with it (like the hotbutton sports topic) or they don’t. It is safer for their sales to not.

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          I’m trying to point out how sports are only a very small portion of Trump’s illegal orders.

          How does your explanation address the obedience of hospitals or schools or prisons? The scale and scope of what Trump is doing is so far beyond sports and I have no idea why you think sports are the key to understanding the stituation. Sports institutions aren’t the only ones bowing down to these illegal orders, and so that begs the question: why are the others obeying in advance?

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    Money. Real lives are affected by defunding and losing your job in this economy.

    Over 50% voted for this. Because news and social media are controlled by the oligarchs. And the smartest sociopaths for hire are crafting the propaganda strategy. So you’re not even going to get a majority to back you up. Sanity and morality is now in the minority.

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      Pretending that you lost because everyone else is too stupid to understand is counterproductive and will result in future losses. If your position is best for the majority of voters then you should be able to effectively convey that message to the masses. If you are unable to do that then obviously you are not as knowledgeable as you believe.

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        That’s like saying the best argument “ought to win” and money doesn’t matter (or media manipulation, the economy or voter roll purging). That is what I mean with the liberal mindset though.

        Or another thing: If you divide the population in a smarter and a less smart half - it’s always easier to manipulate the less smart half. This fundamental problem gets worse with the quality of news and social media.

        And lies travel fast while debunking them is hard and boring. And people have been trained to accept lies by their politicians, including the democrats.

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      Please stop saying over 50% voted for this. A third of the electorate didn’t vote. Yeah, fuck them, they could have stopped this, but it makes it sound like more than half of my country wants him to be president. More likely it’s 30-40%

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        That’s true, but in the liberal mindset, the majority gives you the moral mandate (liberal as in capitalist democracy, not derogatory). That the news and social media is owned and controlled by the oligarchs doesn’t matter to the liberal mindset. Even cheating like gerrymandering didn’t trigger riots and hanging of the culprits. It doesn’t matter that they promised one thing but lied, that has been accepted for decades also.

        So within this mindset the majority spoke and has the mandate for this crap. Practically morality is determined by who has the most money / power. We accepted that greed is good. So it doesn’t matter that the election was cheated, elections in the US have always been a farce, a spectacle. But it is effective to get those institutions in line.

        So I agree with you and think all the US elections in the last 50 years were illegitimate. But those institutions don’t, they simply follow this liberal mindset.

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            I’m inclined to believe it, but to know with enough confidence today you need academic sources and hindsight. But that would just be the natural progression of what the US has accepted for decades. In any case the mainstream doesn’t dispute the election, because Trump was smart enough to do that first (projection). So the reason why institutions obey the new order is because there is no alternative, and no ideological imperative to resist.

            BTW here is an interesting analysis of the ideology of the techbro’s backing Trump, who actually do want to destroy the US. I’m kinda shocked how well this explains things, and haven’t found a good written article yet (but haven’t been looking).

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              I haven’t watched the video yet but I didn’t want to forget. Someone on Lemmy linked this article in a reply to me and I hope it’s what you’re looking for. It spells everything out and even has a little bit of hope in it. It’s quite well written to boot.

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                Thanks for linking the article but the video talks about the “techbro ideology” that fuels at least some of their thoughts and actions. They want to create a kind of feudalism where billionaires can rule fiefdoms without interference however they want, a tech utopia for the worthy. I don’t know though how much they actually believe in this shit, but they associate or at least flirt with it. So the billionaires and tech-bro’s are not fascist or idiots, they are using fascism as a tool.

                Trump is also not an idiot, he doesn’t think he can buy greenland, he just throwing shit at the camera lens. Every day has to be a new outrage and own the libs. No politicians ever cared about abortion, it’s a wedge issue to increase power. The cruelty is the point but it does serve a purpose, because you can’t have a functioning democracy without peace, modest prosperity and education / news. We are still “flailing” which is what MAGA wants.

                The article doesn’t seem to understand these tactics, nor the strategic goals they want to achieve. Or maybe doesn’t communicate for brevity.

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    Some are cowards even if they do care.

    Some have always secretly agreed but were afraid to act on it.

    Some are just apathetic as long as it doesn’t directly affect them.

    But the bigesst reason? Money.

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      Well, they just cut every research university in the country’s money by limiting facilities and administration funding on science grants to 15% (with a few exceptions possible, if approved, presumably by Elon Musk).

      Basically, a $1,000,000 grant to a research scientist comes with a corresponding payment to the university to build whatever is needed and run the lab. It’s usually close to 50% because research labs aren’t cheap. And with few exceptions, private companies don’t really fund basic research labs like they used to. (There is, obviously, a lot of private sector R&D but nothing like back in the day when Bell Labs, Xerox PARC, etc. were doing revolutionary work.)

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        So basically the Brain Drain towards the US will slow down, maybe China will take over

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          US Brain drain started circa 2006 or 2007, when smart people who had well paying jobs watched their country sell them down the river, to bail out banks.

          They saw countries where they could raise their kids, without worrying about becoming a pauper with a single medical incident, or not worry about their kids dying in yet another school schooling. They saw a place they could call home, that didn’t have them on the edge of survival every, single, day.

          The racist roots of our country, which were well hidden for a good 30 years was ripped wide open for all to see, and they wanted none of that for themselves, or their (future) families.

          They left.

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          Slow down? Shit is going to start flowing the opposite way. The brain drain from the US has begun.

          They want a stupid populace, they’re going to get one. And it will probably end up killing us all.

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            The people who are smart enough to be able to get jobs else where are also smart enough to see the writing on the wall of an anti-intellectual admin. The us is only going to get dumber, which is the goal for the gop.