• DicJacobus@lemmy.world
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        6 days ago

        For fuck sake.

        My point was that while Independent Jewish leaders are calling for the boycott. The State of Israel on the other hand, is holding hands up with Trump like a tag team.

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            5 days ago

            you want to just spell it out for me so I dont have to guess at what’s being insenuated and cause more pointless back and forth argument comments?

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              3 days ago

              His post was emulating the excuse people use when they are trying to deflect away from something obviously bad. The state of Israel will refuse to say that what Elon did was antisemitic or an actual Nazi salute. They will talk around the subject and say it wasn’t ACTUALLY the Nazi salute, just him being exuberant in the moment. Or they will point out that the salute was around in Roman times and isn’t actually an antisemitic salute even though Hitler used it, just like people will point out that the swastika is an ancient symbol from Hinduism so it also isn’t antisemitic.

              He was agreeing with you, basically.

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        7 days ago

        Yeah… this and other organizations concluded that he didn’t perform a nazi salute… so what’s the deal? Why are so many sources still saying he did nazi salute?

        Right after he did that, he said, “My heart goes out to you.” And later denied again.

        Why such a smear campaign?

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          7 days ago

          Because most people learned the fucking lesson that there is ZERO justification. Inexcusable even as a mistake for someone in that position no matter how he got there, and inexcusable to dismiss it.

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            7 days ago

            Because most people learned the fucking lesson that there is ZERO justification.

            What “lesson”? So, even if unintentional, any salute even similar to the nazi salute should call for condemnation?

            The mainstream media are pushing this hard as hell, just raking Elon over the coals.

            So many here have lost the plot

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      7 days ago

      Hey, at least they called it “Nazi” and not something wishy-washy like “awkward”, “problematic”, or “Elon Musk salute”.

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      7 days ago

      “Us guys” do not universally support the ADL.

      Just like we do not universally support Israel.

      Can you guys stop deciding what every Jew supports? I’m getting really fucking tired of both telling people that you’re wrong and being told I’m the wrong one back because of my genetics.

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        7 days ago

        You may be a leader and you may be Jewish, but I interpreted that comment to specifically mean the people in power who maintain this connection. That is, “you guys” sounds like an appeal to the Jewish leaders referenced in the article, the US leaders that support the ADL, or both.

        I might be wrong, I don’t know OP or what they truly believe. If there is context I’m missing that changes the message, I will stand corrected.

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      7 days ago

      Oh look, someone who thinks that “Jew” and “Israeli” are synonyms.

      As always, no matter where I live, no matter how much I say I hate Israel, I will always be a foreigner and a Zionist.

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        7 days ago

        Really? You really think that? I know that plenty of Jewish outside of Israel don’t support the current genocide of Palestinians, and I know plenty do.

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          7 days ago

          I think you sure as fuck implied it, when you said:

          It would mean more if Israel weren’t actively genociding Palestinians.

          Why would it mean more unless Jew and Israeli were synonyms?

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              7 days ago

              Ah, I see, so it isn’t “Jew = Israeli,” it’s “Jew = Pro genocide.” Totally different.

              Do you also expect every Muslim to denounce ISIS every time they face bigotry themselves? I bet you don’t.

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                  7 days ago

                  You’re evading. I didn’t ask if they were. I asked if you expected it. Do you? Or are only Jews expected to denounce genocide every time they face bigotry in your view?