I agree that it can look like that at a glance, but why would we expect spending to reflect horniness when sexual expression is less accepted for women in many rich countries? Can you say to what degree that affects it? They may feel just as much hornyness and express it more privately. How can you be confident?

I admit, that if you look at the economic you presented, men spend more on sexual stuff. That is a fine conclusion. But it says very little to me about who is more horny.

Homie idk how many times I gotta say it. I’m agnostic to who’s more horny. I get why I seem stubborn.

You can believe what you want. Your evidence is too indirect to convince me.

I really think we’re arguing slightly different things though. Like it is even important for me say wealth inequality in the world means that sex spending better represents rich countries interests? Therefore has a very very large cultural bias. Not abstact, real cultures are different. Lots of people are unaccounted in your metric, and lots of peope are extremely over counted.

I can be convinced, you just haven’t done it. I am not confident the data is out there. Spending definitely has too many flaws to be a good indicator.

What would prove it to me? Good question it’d have to be grounded. I don’t like to claim I know things I can’t know. Who’s hornier is just such a tough question. Everyone experiences hornyness in different ways and we can’t really order them or make equivalences easily.

Basically there’d have to be a good definition of “this action equals this much hornyness” and I haven’t seen anything presented that can measure that in a satisfactory way.

I mean I could draw a hot picture for myself for free and that wouldn’t be counted in the frame “horniness is measured in money”. I really am not convinced by the money stats. Sex is often free.

I really don’t think we have the tools to answer this question. At least I haven’t seen them.

Edit: spelling

What if women’s sexuality is felt differently, and porn isn’t a perfect fit?

Here is how you sound: Do you know much about smut novels? Women must be much more horny given that they buy way more of those than guys do. No reason guys would buy less other than being less horny.

I get a little lost in the sauce when I get typing. I stand by most of what I said, but maybe some isn’t pertinent.

Let me try and be super clear. In my sample women are more horny than men. In yours it is the other way.

Giving examples of men being outwardly sexual doesn’t prove that they feel it more. Just because more businesses cater to men doesn’t mean they feel it more. You are giving very surface level and indirect proof and calling it evidence.

I’m not working in abstract land, just not your land I guess.

Edit: I checked, the argument is about your evidence being mid. That’s been my position from the start. I don’t even agree that men and women are equally horny, but I don’t think you disproved it with strip clubs.

Ya missed my point a bit. Maybe I wasn’t so clear. I’m not saying strip clubs prove women are more horny. I’m saying it is reaonsable to assume asymertic distribution of gender roles in strip clubs is influenced by our current culture more than biology. Given no actual evidence it is reasonable to see it either way.

Saying “Just look!” is as good as “Common sense”. Its extremely culturally embeded and not necessarily reflective of any underlying truth.

I’m saying you didn’t prove anything to me. I’m not saying whether anything is true or untrue at a global level.

Woman may be more or less horny than men. In my sample they are more horny. Maybe I’m just getting older.

I don’t think the status quo is good evidence. We do studies because we know how messy life is. You could just as easily be proving my point as you think you’re proving yours.

Why do strip clubs exist? Idk, but it could be because men are more comfortable being sexual. As there is less shame in going to a strip club than working for one.

Women are very capable of being horny for horny’s sake.

Women generally have to be much more selective for safety. The stats on sexual assault in US would astound anyone. Given how likely it is for a girl to be SA’d, or know someone who has, its no wonder they don’t openly express desire as much. Guys don’t have to worry about what happens if they change their mind at any poiny. At least not even close to the same degree.

pretty much all men non-asexuals want sex

FTFY

I agree Ubuntu is the easy choice. You can totally find a desktop you don’t have to baby sit, but Ubuntu has the marketing to help you find them and feel safe.

I’ve had no issues with fedora, I’ve been running it for about a year.