And even when it gets heated, people still seem to listen and not just performatively push agendas. Seen more "fair enough"s than in years of Reddit.

I see your point. Not sure about the portion of bad vs good, but I’ve seen both, for example about the drive by wire stuff. There was some genuine interest in the CT before we actually got to see how much of a POS it really was.

TBH, it’s gotten a lot of press, much more than most cars, ev’s or not. Much of it negative though, so not calling it hype is valid.