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Well I lobe Pakistan the land. It truly feels like home. Wherever I go I feel like this is MINE.

Also just an incredible place geographically, from the worlds highest peaks and plains (deosai and k2) to the worlds largest salt mines (above land) called Kheora, discovered by Alexander the great. Deserts and snow and snowing deserts. Bays and harbours, the sea and one of the biggest rivers.

And incredible wildlife with very special flora and fauna. Literally every kind of geography you could imagine we got.

The indus also was home to the oldest civilisation known, the indus valley. The mughal history I love too, then came the British (sigh).

The government here is certain, its not like the state is weak. But they dont have as far reaching control as a lot of developed countries do. So villages and smaller cities are free from the government in many ways.

Agriculturally incredible, very fertile soil with the Indus bringing nutrient dense soil from the Himalayas.

So many incredible and old languages still exist too. Languages not spoken outside a single village for example.

For Qatar, its a place with a lot of good people. Some of the best people I’ve met in my life, very multicultural as well. I’ve lived in a building where every apartment had a family with a different nationality.

Ignoring the few locals who generally target the working class. The public here is very kindly organised. I like the respectful conservative way people exist in public here.

I like the fact that you can come here and just settle in with so many different nationalities or find a subgroup of your own people.

I do love some incredible architecture here too. Some great museums etc have been built. There is a sense of luxury to it all. I like how small the country is (although its grown I’m recent years) you can get to either end in like 40 mins.

In both nations I love the food, in Qatar you can discover a lot of non Arab food too with how multicultural it is.

Also Qatar has without a shadow of a doubt the best KFC/ fried chicken in the world and I’m not even exaggerating.

Last I remember she was imprisoned

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The social media presence of Pakistani folk is odd. Facebook ofcourse has the worst of the worst. But even reddit people were equally terrible, albeit younger cunts.

Yeah both of these are generally right. The hate Pakistan has for women is unprecedented.

Qatar, yep.

Pakistan, oh I’d say pretty extremist. Interesting is certainly one word to use for the culture.

Pakistan honestly hates itself put of hate for India. And I mean doesn’t care about history pre 1947 since that would be India back then. Also desperate to paint Pakistan as an Arab nation. Despite next to no connection or knowledge of the Arab world, or the language.

Culturally very similar to India but desperately trying not to.

Yeah Pakistan defines itself in large part by its hate for India. Dont see any improvements either in the next decade or two anyways. Don’t really care about space exploration honestly.

Yes family is everything here. Not always in a good way.

Qatar you’re mostly right about too. Don’t think people from other abrahamic religions would agree with the intensity of the average Muslim. Most Christian societies at this point are not as intense in my eys anyways. But I do think a lot of morality is shared bw them.

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Well education is terrible here. For the lower classes, people in villages etc, the hope is to be able to work for themselves primarily. If they study to a highschool level (and that education is TERRIBLE), literally just factually incorrect stuff is being taught but anyways, those people may look for some government job later.

The best chance for success is moving to a city and going to a university, normally too expensive for people. For the few who do it can help the family somewhat.

The military also has a hold in people, many wanna join the military.

The cities house the middle-class, most hope to leave Pakistan for a better future. Noone expects a good life in Pakistan.

The young v old issue may be political, imran khan the former pm had a largely young fanbase while other political figures have older fan bases. Other than that, there isn’t much of a cultural shift bw generations. In the upper middle class circles, theres a good bit of westernisation which is the other divide. But that is like 5% of the population at most.

Overall, the youth has no hope for this nation. Dont expect to have a safe future here. Leaving Pakistan to work as a guard or driver etc and living in terrible living quarters is better for people than staying here in many cases.

Well kind of but kind of not. In Pakistan we got a massive house, maids, drivers, garndener etc. Since its a very highly populated country even a middle - upper middle class family can afford to employ people.

Yes Pakistan also just feels more like an actual real country.

Having said that it depends on what you think of as comforts, there’s many comforts that i still have in Qatar that i don’t in Pakistan.

Food I love in both places.

I hate buying a new one everyday. So expensive

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1. No Path to Belonging Expatriates remain outsiders regardless of time spent in the country. There is no permanent residency or citizenship pathway unless born to a Qatari man.

2. Rigid Social Hierarchy Discrimination based on nationality and appearance is widespread. Qataris are at the top, followed by Westerners, then Arabs, East Asians, South Asians, and Africans.

3. Racism and Social Isolation Locals often show disdain toward expats, maintaining distance and superiority. Even children reflect this behavior, which goes unchecked.

4. Growing Hostility There’s a rise in anti-expat practices: visa cancellations, lack of NOCs, unpaid wages, delayed payments, and demotions.

5. Selective Immigration Qatar now seeks only skilled Western professionals. Lower-income workers are being sidelined as the country distances itself from its labor-reliant past.

6. Poor Driving Culture Despite excellent roads, traffic behavior is reckless. Qatar has one of the highest road fatality rates per capita.

7. Limited Legal Protection Court proceedings are in Arabic. Legal aid is costly and inaccessible for many, leaving expats vulnerable.

8. Unprofessional Business Environment Unpaid salaries, ignored contracts, and delayed invoices are common. Accountability is rare.

9. Disrespect for Time and Order There’s no functioning queue system. Nationals are prioritized regardless of wait time.

10. Overpriced Housing Market Rent is high, quality is low, and buying property is nearly impossible for expats.

11. Language Exclusion With 60% of the population not speaking Arabic, government services remain largely inaccessible to non-Arabic speakers.

12. Rising Costs Utilities, telecom, and daily expenses are increasingly unaffordable, with some of the world’s highest rates.

13. Lack of Entertainment Cultural and recreational options are limited, contributing to a boring lifestyle.

Qatar’s modern exterior hides outdated laws and systemic inequality. The promised post–World Cup transformation never arrived. For many expats, the country feels hollow.

In regards to Qatar: Yeah there is some pressure to end it from up top. And the people are afraid of the qatari government, especially if you don’t hold a qatari passport.

My dad knows the industry VERY well. The issue hasn’t been eradicated. The smaller businesses especially those owned by non qataris (and i won’t get into the business structures required since its beneficial to have a qatari have 51% ownership) are too scared to fuck around and find out, yet they do sometimes.

Bigger companies can do whatever tf they want as is the case everywhere in the world.

When I was in school my school took our teachers passports. Thats when I learnt of this rule. Bizzare. But Qatar treat foreigners, particularly south Asians and Africans as disposable.

‘Westerners’ are valued and seen as human, will be paid 10× what a black or brown person would.

As someone who always does critique Pakistan I wanna say Pakistan is a massive victim of terrorism itself.

Whether it was us funded, pak funded or India funded. All are too blame. The same goes for Afghanistan. So many innocent people have died in these wars and issues that were forced upon us, the people.

You could say there is no central figure as modi is in India. Imran Khan was the closest but Pakistani politics is fractured.

Plus the actual political power lies with the military here. So they chose who they want as president. They wanted Khan and they bought him in, he became a threat and they kicked him out.

Right now khan would dominate the public vote but where is he? In prison.

The people here are very culty and rage plus hate fueled. Its less visible bc it’s not that big online.

Infact we keep banning social media sites since literally every government is a religious fascist anyways. Twitter was big here and they banned it. YouTube was banned years ago.

The people in power are genuinely a combination of vile and stupid. The media … just as bad

I agree India is a problem. The culture is rotten to the core. Modi is one of the most disgusting modern figures and yet flies under the radar

Well then mate, let me just tell you. Pakistan is just as bad as India lol. Two sides of the same coin.

Just meant the opinion of people outside these two places.

The Hammad airpord is lovely. The layovers I expect must’ve been good.

I also always love a hitchhikers reference.

You data isn’t hoarded up and sold by the likes of meta etc.

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