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I don’t want to destroy any illusions, but I don’t believe that much resistance can be expected from the military. The command principle applies here and the president is the Commander-in-Chief. I don’t see why any civil disobedience could be expected here in particular. Besides, it’s not as if those who actually make up the majority of soldiers would have much say in military affairs. If that were the case, there might be a chance, but the military is also run by old, greedy, white men - just like any other US institution.

I think, at least for those in their ranks who are not (yet) convinced Nazis anyway, it’s a similar principle to the mafia: the newly recruited opportunists have to publicly spout Nazi slogans to prove themselves - just as a soldier in the Cosa Nostra has to have committed a serious crime, many particularly serious ones, if he ever wants to become a “capo”.

Like other criminal organizations, MAGA tries to protect itself from potential informants, I think. If you only recruit people who are unscrupulous enough to openly admit to this Nazi bullshit, there’s less chance of someone having a conscience and making all their shady dealings public.

Ahh, damn, I really wish we were more hospitable. But yes, good luck to us both, let’s hope it doesn’t get too dark on Sunday. I really hope so.

I wish you all the best and will let you know how our election turns out.

I think it’s not just the US, but the logic by which we determine who is particularly recognized in society. The fact that our leaders are not the best educated, or the creative and artistic, is not just the fault of US capitalism, I think - its triumph has only reinforced established tendencies, I’m afraid. Capitalism has produced a new aristocracy, just like before the French Revolution. But that is nothing new. Even in recent times that is not only the fault of the US-Capitalism, because this is also real in other systems. It seems to me to be a general human error that is consistent around the world. It may be conspiracy theorizing, but I believe that Trump is flirting with Putin because they have the same interests - power in society. I think the next few years will be about throwing off the yoke of oppression, no matter which system imposes it on you. Getting back what belongs to everyone, what everyone should be entitled to. The right to a life worth living. Capitalism just seems to have forgotten that, as have many other systems that claim to be the right one.

Well, that’s the problem. Until a few years ago, it was unthinkable in Germany that Nazis would have any say in politics. That has changed with Trump and his minions. The rhetoric in the States has led to openly xenophobic slogans and the associated ideology becoming socially acceptable again. This is because Germany has been strongly oriented towards the US since the end of the Second World War. Unfortunately, your plutocrats have now discovered fascism for themselves, because it’s a way to make money (over dead bodies). I would never have thought it possible that Nazi ideology could become popular again in Germany. But unfortunately we are very much oriented towards the US. Nevertheless, it is all the worse that my compatriots do not remember, that they seem to have forgotten all the atrocities and crimes against humanity. One would think that we should have learned from all the suffering that happened not so long ago. We should know better, because we should know how absurd and immoral this despicable ideology is. But my fellow countrymen are unteachable, as I said, I am ashamed of them.

Thank you, I hope so too. And you’re absolutely right: if not even the Germans have learned from their terrible history, then it probably won’t be any different anywhere else. Honestly, I’m ashamed of my fellow countrymen. We really should know better.

I couldn’t agree more.

I feel the same way, but unfortunately I’m not so sure that it won’t be similar in my home country. I’m from Germany and there’s an election this weekend. Unfortunately, I fear that the AfD, a neo-Nazi party pretty similar to MAGA, will do very well. It probably won’t be as bad as in the US, but there are unfortunately many incredible stupid people all around the world. It’s the same song in many countries: braindead xenophobic slogans to hide the fact that it’s all about making the richest even richer.

Ye, the US should consider the same in light of current events. If the totally incorruptible Supreme Court continues to insist that the president is a god-king who is above the law, appropriate measures should be considered if at least a semblance of democracy is to be preserved.

Indeed, and it is frightening how persistent they are. I have blocked pretty much all their names and various connected terms by now, but my Lemmy feed still consists to a large extent of the nonsense and misinformation that these trolls spread on a daily basis to distract from their criminal activities.

I can only imagine how much worse it must be on the mainstream platforms.

There is simply no escaping the bullshit that spills out of the white house all over the world. Unfortunately, even less so because the local Nazis and the conservatives in my home country have long been using the same troll strategies that they have adopted from the US since they have proven effective in Europe as well.

The continuous noise of these trolls really has nothing to do with politics or news. On the contrary, it’s just vicious anti-politics and deliberate misinformation.

True that. It’s the lesser evil. That would probably even be the case if it wasn’t just a deal for the Chinese market.

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